Oh, sorry, it didn't look like a quote.I'm quoting Peter there Bob see post above Steve's . My radar went up too. LOL
-bob
Good radar bud. I agree this really needs to be proven with the S2 , we don't need a history lesson.
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Oh, sorry, it didn't look like a quote.I'm quoting Peter there Bob see post above Steve's . My radar went up too. LOL
Guy,But that was not so much there history though Peter let's remember the M8. Now we are somewhat guessing here as well. Who really knows how good or bad Phase/Mamiya or the Hassy factories are and there control mechanisms.Only vendor I would somehow trust is Leica with their S System, as they obviously have a much tighter control mechanism in place.
Guy,
What is this based on?
My experience is that Leica has one of the least controlled manufacturing environments.
-bob
Steve do you think that the Phamiya superiority to HC glass will be continued in the new central leaf shuttered glass coming from Phamiya? If so may be worth a switch out of Hasselblad into Phase One...Peter:
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That said, I have to mention that I have also tested HC 80mm and 35mm against P1 D 80mm and 28mm ...
Not meaning to imply anything definitive, but in those tests, I also found that the Phase One lenses were sharper after stopping down. So in at least 2 different testing sessions, we found sharper results stopped down when comparing Phase One D lenses to HC. It led me to the thought that the HC lenses are more optimized for larger apertures, while the P1 D lenses more optimized for smaller apertures. This could very well be the case, as anyone who read the excellent Hasselblad HC vs V lens article in the Hasselblad Victor magazine also read about conscious design decisions with regard to optimization of lenses.
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Steve Hendrix
Peter the P40+ and P65+ do not need wakeup cables anymore. On a tech camera such as your Alpa that cord is no longer needed. Just lens cable release if wanted of course. This makes these backs a much more desirable tech camera back.
As far as glass the LS lenses are made at Schneider which has a long history of building nice glass. Not sure of these in particular since I have not shot them yet but I would expect good performance.
Obviously the new LS lenses coming does open the door wider on the Phase kits since it does bring a bigger range of shutter speeds to the party now and choice between leaf and non leaf glass. The Hassy glass i believe is still limited to the 1/800 shutter speed. That is if any of this means anything to the shooter in some cases it will not.
I believe the chart now on sync speeds is
Hassy 1/800 Leaf shutter only
Leica S2 1/500 Leaf shutter / Focal shutter 1/125th
Phase LS lenses all backs 1/800 but the P40+ and P65 will go to 1/1600 / Focal shutter 1/125th
Sinar I think is 1/1000 leaf shutter ,need confirm on that
Leaf backs same on Mamiya bodies but not sure of 1/6000 with any Leaf back. Yair can confirm yes or no on that
I am pretty sure that is how it stands today
Peter the P40+ and P65+ do not need wakeup cables anymore. ...
Talk about being really happy and back to the ground in less than 5 seconds, the time needed to read Peter's post after Guy's! :ROTFL:guy,
i have used the P65 without wake-up on the alpa but then it empties the batteries sooo fast that i have returned to shooting with wake up.
peter
As always, the more options the better. Actually, after having done some tests a couple of weeks ago with the Silvestri & the wake up cable, I found that it takes a very short time to get used to the routine of the double-push (one to wake up, one to trigger the back). The only thing is, being fast enough and take the pic before your back is going back to sleep... it happened a few times at first :ROTFL: thankfully, subjects for these kind of setups aren't going anywhere very quick!Well nice to have the option the wake up cable is a pain but extra batteries sounds like a good idea as well. Depending on the shoot you can make a good choice. Buy cable leave in bag when needed for the all dayers.
I clarified this yesterday, and the wake-up cables remain the preferred choice, though are not necessary. The issue is two-fold: First since the back is on all the time without the wake-up cable, it eats batteries. Second, if it's on for more than a minute before the capture, the sensor heats up and generates detrimental noise. So bottom line, is for one or two casual shots with the camera turned off between, no issue. But for regular use on a dedicated tech camera, the KG cables -- one-shot or button -- are still recommended.Doesn't the Kapture Group One Shot cable work with these backs? One smooth push on the cable release wakes the back and fires the shutter. No worries about missing the wake time window.
I use one on my P25+ and can't imagine going back to the double press.
Thank you very much Jack for the info. To avoid the heating & noise problem it makes a lot of sense to use the double cable, plus if you are on the field battery is too precious a commodity (and these backs do use up a lot of juice!) to let it deplete just to save one clicking finger movement... so, double click cable stays in the bag even when (and if) I will upgrade to the P65+!I clarified this yesterday, and the wake-up cables remain the preferred choice, though are not necessary. The issue is two-fold: First since the back is on all the time without the wake-up cable, it eats batteries. Second, if it's on for more than a minute before the capture, the sensor heats up and generates detrimental noise. So bottom line, is for one or two casual shots with the camera turned off between, no issue. But for regular use on a dedicated tech camera, the KG cables are still recommended.