Looking for a IQ4-150 - Update: On hold

[ThdeDude]

Anyone having a PhaseOne IQ4-150 looking for a new loving home?

My understanding is that the general consensus is that the current market prices for a used PhaseOne IQ4-150 in reasonable shape is around $18K.

Thanks,

MN

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After outlining my options:

- buy now the best currently available DB (IQ4) used at current market value,

- wait for a foreseeable, intermediate solution (CFV-100c) (told now October/November);

- wait for the possible final DB (IQ5) if and whenever released; or

- keep on soldiering along with my current IQ3.

And considering the great value proposition the CFV-100c offers and in view of the positive reviews of the X2D 100C, I decided to wait with any buying decision until I am able to test / try out the CFV-100c.

The IQ4 offered were in the price range of $18-20K which roughly is three (3) times the expected price of the CFV-100c. As a technical camera user, a slightly smaller sensor format makes little difference (having used the original CFV-50c before the IQ3). In a few months the IQ4 will have been on the market for five years, the to be introduced CFV-100c surely will profit from technological advances made within the last five years. On the other end of the spectrum, not buying a used IQ4 at current asking price could go halfway to any IQ5.

I want to thank everyone for their comments, and especially, those who said that they would consider selling their IQ4.

I hope I did not disappoint too much any expectations.

MN

 

[Maxx9photo]

I might sell mine.

 

[JeffK]

You two are a match made in buyer/seller heaven. Budget, Authority, Need and Timing are all aligned.

 

[ThdeDude]

You two are a match made in buyer/seller heaven. Budget, Authority, Need and Timing are all aligned.

We shall see.

I am a bit uncertain what would be a sensible and reasonable price. In the past I thought a IQ4-150 would/should go twice of that of a IQ3-100. I thought a IQ3-100 would easily sell for $8.5-9K (making the IQ4-150 $17-18K) but the last sale of a IQ3-100 was $7.8K which would place the IQ4-150 at $15.6K (using the double formula). Surely this is too low, or perhaps not! I am hesitant to buy anything for substantial more than what one could reasonably expect to get if I would turn around and resell.

Maybe remaining warranty period could or should be decisive factor? More than two years $17K plus, less than two years less than $17K.

 

[buildbot]

We shall see.

I am a bit uncertain what would be a sensible and reasonable price. In the past I thought a IQ4-150 would/should go twice of that of a IQ3-100. I thought a IQ3-100 would easily sell for $8.5-9K (making the IQ4-150 $17-18K) but the last sale of a IQ3-100 was $7.8K which would place the IQ4-150 at $15.6K (using the double formula). Surely this is too low, or perhaps not! I am hesitant to buy anything for substantial more than what one could reasonably expect to get if I would turn around and resell.

Maybe remaining warranty period could or should be decisive factor? More than two years $17K plus, less than two years less than $17K.

With you here, hard to say what a sensible price is. On one hand, the IQ4 has some distinct advantages, like frame averaging, a newer platform, higher resolution, BSI.

On the the other hand, 15K is a lot still when GFX100s bodies are going for 4K used. You could get an IQ3, GFX100s, and a few lenses for 15K. Plus, the IQ3 has some advantages! Faster startup, better battery life, true power share (unless that is fixed in the IQ4?). I keep thinking about an IQ4, but can’t justify it and worry about the negatives compared to the IQ3.

 

[ThdeDude]

With you here, hard to say what a sensible price is. On one hand, the IQ4 has some distinct advantages, like frame averaging, a newer platform, higher resolution, BSI.

On the the other hand, 15K is a lot still when GFX100s bodies are going for 4K used. You could get an IQ3, GFX100s, and a few lenses for 15K. Plus, the IQ3 has some advantages! Faster startup, better battery life, true power share (unless that is fixed in the IQ4?). I keep thinking about an IQ4, but can’t justify it and worry about the negatives compared to the IQ3.

I am also somewhat unsure about buying a IQ4. Even if heavily used, at current market price ($17-18K) one could buy three new (3) Fujifilm GFX 100S! The IQ4-150 was announced (introduced) when the iPhone X was still the current iPhone.

But I am also cognizant that I have to get some more fluidness in my MF photographic process. Replacing my IQ3 with a IQ4 would do that. Otherwise I will use it less and less, and my major investment in Digarons will be for the birds.

 

[buildbot]

But I am also cognizant that I have to get some more fluidness in my MF photographic process. Replacing my IQ3 with a IQ4 would do that. Otherwise I will use it less and less, and my major investment in Digarons will be for the birds.

Is the live view better? Or something else?
For me, the IQ3 Achro has something unique to any camera basically - true UV to IR sensitivity. Well, unique to Achromatic backs. All the other monochrome cameras have a weak filter at least I believe. The Achros will probably hold their value very well, while I have already seen a color 100MP back for ~6K!

 

[ThdeDude]

Is the live view better? Or something else?

- back-illuminated: not having to think and deal with LCC step,

- frame averaging: wouldn't need to deal with ND density filter, and

- dual exposure: not having to deal with graduate ND filter.

 

[cuida1991]

Is the live view better? Or something else?
For me, the IQ3 Achro has something unique to any camera basically - true UV to IR sensitivity. Well, unique to Achromatic backs. All the other monochrome cameras have a weak filter at least I believe. The Achros will probably hold their value very well, while I have already seen a color 100MP back for ~6K!

May I ask where you see a color 100mp back for 6k? I may be interested!

 

[buildbot]

May I ask where you see a color 100mp back for 6k? I may be interested!

I am still interested! But probably should not.

I’ll come clean - The seller offered me 6K. It’s an a6d-100c on ebay So it’s pretty unique and not exactly an digital back. I don’t think the DB detaches from the a6d frame but I could be wrong…

 

[cuida1991]

I am still interested! But probably should not.

I’ll come clean - The seller offered me 6K. It’s an a6d-100c on ebay So it’s pretty unique and not exactly an digital back. I don’t think the DB detaches from the a6d frame but I could be wrong…

Thank you so much. I also asked about that and it seems the 100C back is not detachable from the a6d body..

 

[f8orbust]

A couple of H/B A6D 100Cs (with HC 50mm II f/3.5 lenses) sold here at auction through SAS (a specialist auction house in Newbury) - estimate was £4k - £6k - ended up selling for ... £2k and £3k !

How much are these new ? £30k, £40k, £50k ?

 

[guphotography]

Hope I'm not mistaken, for colour cast you may not need LCC but it is still required for light fall off, unless you have centre filter for every lens you plan to use, or only apply limited movements?

 

[ThdeDude]

you may not need LCC but it is still required for light fall off, unless you have centre filter for every lens you plan to use, or only apply limited movements?

Rodenstock offers center filters for Digaron lenses 23mm, 28mm, and 32mm. Definitely if using film I would look into getting these center filters, but with digital just correct in Lightroom, if necessary.

 

[vjbelle]

I am also somewhat unsure about buying a IQ4. Even if heavily used, at current market price ($17-18K) one could buy three new (3) Fujifilm GFX 100S! The IQ4-150 was announced (introduced) when the iPhone X was still the current iPhone.

But I am also cognizant that I have to get some more fluidness in my MF photographic process. Replacing my IQ3 with a IQ4 would do that. Otherwise I will use it less and less, and my major investment in Digarons will be for the birds.

You know your needs much better than me but, for me, the ONLY reason to keep the 4150 was if I were shooting wide a lot. I wasn't so the choice to sell was easy. The Fuji/Hassy solutions are so much more user friendly than the archaic Phase interface that every time I started to use the 4150 I felt I was stepping back in time. Frame averaging is really easy to replicate with ND and in some instances better but a lot less convenient. Dual exposure is no big deal imo. Money is money and you seem to be concerned about that aspect so think it through.....

Best.....

Victor B.

 

[ThdeDude]

After outlining my options:

- buy now the best currently available DB (IQ4) used at current market value,

- wait for a foreseeable, intermediate solution (CFV-100c) (told now October/November);

- wait for the possible final DB (IQ5) if and whenever released; or

- keep on soldiering along with my current IQ3.

And considering the great value proposition the CFV-100c offers and in view of the positive reviews of the X2D 100C, I decided to wait with any buying decision until I am able to test / try out the CFV-100c.

The IQ4 offered were in the price range of $18-20K which roughly is three (3) times the expected price of the CFV-100c. As a technical camera user, a slightly smaller sensor format makes little difference (having used the original CFV-50c before the IQ3). In a few months the IQ4 will have been on the market for five years, the to be introduced CFV-100c surely will profit from technological advances made within the last five years. On the other end of the spectrum, the money saved from not buying a IQ4 at current asking price could go halfway to any IQ5.

I want to thank everyone for their comments, and especially, those who said that they would consider selling their IQ4.

I hope I did not disappoint too much any expectations.

MN

 

[f8orbust]

I think the CFV-100c will be around the $8k - $10k mark, depending on exchange rates. IF there's an IQ5 it could only be the same sensor with upgrade electronics - probably related to tighter integration with the XT. That said, is it worth it for P1? Probably not, so I think they'll soldier on with the IQ4 for the foreseeable future, despite it being positively ancient in digital terms. Personally, I'm keen to see the CFV-100c as 100MP is more than enough for me, and the addition of a flip-up screen + X2D style UI + access to the 907X platform + latest electronics would be great.

 

[GrahamWelland]

Btw, the forum rules explicitly forbid these types of discussions against sellers and their prices. Everybody has an opinion on prices but this isn't the place to derail a sellers listing.

 

[ThdeDude]

Btw, the forum rules explicitly forbid these types of discussions against sellers and their prices. Everybody has an opinion on prices but this isn't the place to derail a sellers listing.

Thanks appreciate. But it's OK with me.

I have been (too?) critical on other's sale listings and their pricing.

I am conflicted myself. On one hand, the IQ4-150 might be just what is needed to get some more fluidity into my photography. But on the other hand, might be silly shelling out $18K or more on an electronic device whose market introduction was nearly five years ago, is obsolete in various aspects, and that still suffers from various handling gremlins. iPhones released before or shortly after the IQ4-150's introduction, iPhone X and iPhone XR, now go used for about $150. Thats 15% of original purchase price. IQ4-150 was about $50K when released, applying the same depreciation, would now be $7.5K!

Yes, I know it's not quite so easy for the IQ4-150 since there hasn't been a newer model (yet). But should P1 release one tomorrow that is sensible priced I might incur a lost in excess of $10K if I would have bought a IQ4-150 today for the current market price of $18K!

 

[stngoldberg]

I recently purchased a new Porsche electric car knowing that it would depreciate immediately as I drove it off the lot; the other side of the story is the pleasure derived each day driving this magnificent machine.
As far as I know, we only live once so it’s impossible to depreciate pleasure.