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Thanks, Jack.Bob,
I *really* like this shot --- wonderful composition, and it has that LF or at least MF capture feel to it! I suspect you used the Canon 50/1.2L on this shot? Maybe around f 1.8 or 2.0??? Also, really like these in B&W over color, just adds to the "film noir" character.
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What the model was actually terrified of perhaps was that her abdomen might not show too well in the rather unusual pose (for her).Youve really managed to capture this girl looking terrified bob,is this one of a series,is this the before or after?and Jack,Id be interested what it is that you* really* like about this cheap and in this case rather sick voyerism.
Bob,What the model was terrified of perhaps was that her abdomen might not show too well in the rather unusual pose (for her). :ROTFL:
In this series we were trying to do a range of emotionally charged images with little variation on pose other than facial expressions. I have one with a smiling face which didn't work as well.
I don't understand your question concerning before or after, this was somewhere about 2/3 through the shoot.
As for cheap or sick voyeurism...
Webster's definition[1] certainly seems clear. The image certainly doesn't do it for me, are you saying that it does it for you?
thanks
-bob
[1] http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/vo/voyeurism.html
think everybody is overreacting here.
This is not pornography... its not even mild erotica... its a nude portrait
Its an interesting shot both in technical terms and in subject matter. Unlike a lot of shots posted here it involves a subject that I assume was a willing participant in the act of creating a photograph. I am assuming that Bob has all the appropriate model release documentation
Its a shot that obviously has provoked a reaction in certain members of the forum - and they are entitled to their opinions.
but this is an open and i thought tolerant forum. This photograph is no different from imagery i see in advertising on the street and glossy magazine available on the lower shelves of your local newsagent.
If this photograph was to be some how suppressed... then I would have to consider my continued involvement with this forum
K
Youve really managed to capture this girl looking terrified bob,is this one of a series,is this the before or after?and Jack,Id be interested what it is that you* really* like about this cheap and in this case rather sick voyerism.
I do respect those who have other opinions, as as for the part of belittling those who do not agree with my point of view, perhaps I did go a bit far on that, but I was puzzled by the use of words in the complaint and tried to answer a question contained in that complaint as well as what I felt was an unfair characterization.Bob,
some people are offended by this and it doesn't help for you to belittle that fact -- especially as you are a moderator.
am i personally offended? no, but i have a very thick skin. i very much appreciate them sticking up for what they feel is exploitation and, yes, terror can be construed.
i can totally respect your right to post this photo in the forum, but i also respect people's wish not to either see this and/or have their pictures associated with it.
is it to much to ask that it be put in a separate thread with perhaps a warning? i have seen this in the other forums and i think it is in good taste.
art is art is art. i am not one for censorship. but i do demand respect.
you've touched a nerve here and for you to laugh it off is very disrespectful of members here. that to me, more than the picture itself, is what i find disturbing.
On the contrary cam, I don't find anything disrespectful here when people can express their opinions, hopefully as photographers we HAVE the right to dismiss them too! There are plenty of forums out there for those with such values, they don't HAVE to hang around here if they're not open to other people's artistic expression. What get's me about nei1 isn't his values but the fact that he demands everyone else to accept them too, that to me is DISRESPECTFUL and unacceptable!Bob,
some people are offended by this and it doesn't help for you to belittle that fact -- especially as you are a moderator.
am i personally offended? no, but i have a very thick skin. i very much appreciate them sticking up for what they feel is exploitation and, yes, terror can be construed.
i can totally respect your right to post this photo in the forum, but i also respect people's wish not to either see this and/or have their pictures associated with it.
is it to much to ask that it be put in a separate thread with perhaps a warning? i have seen this in the other forums and i think it is in good taste.
art is art is art. i am not one for censorship. but i do demand respect.
you've touched a nerve here and for you to laugh it off is very disrespectful of members here. that to me, more than the picture itself, is what i find disturbing.
As for the rest of the discussion, I think kevinparis nailed it fairly well. And if I were a moderator, I'd give real consideration to the idea of calling Nei1's bluff.
Actually no "literal" blur, although I did touch up a few usual blemishes and softened a skin crease, did some local tone compensation in areas for which the model was thankful, and brightened the face a bit. Most of the effect was the conversion curve which imparted clipped blacks, a high contrast dark-midtone and a long soft shoulder to the highlights combined with north light coming through a seven foot tall sheer curtained window (a seven foot softbox if you will).Obviously the forces of obscurantism are still well alive and survived the ages.
Interesting to see the beast breathing again even on a typical art oriented media.
Re the photo, like Tim and kweide the cut off toes are a tad disturbing, but OTOH maybe it's part of the uneaseness conveyed by the image. In that case, maybe a slightly bolder crop would be in order?
A question related to processing : how much skin surface blur did you apply on the body here ?
It bestows an immediate contrast with the right hand (and feet), and a slight unrealistic touch -which incidentally plays a part in making it more artistic than "voyeuristic", without the aid of accessories of oversophisticated / unreal lighting. Or maybe it's just me