PeterA
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That is an odd analogy - you need to expand so the conversation can continue!But the Fuji GFXr offers the truck performance.
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That is an odd analogy - you need to expand so the conversation can continue!But the Fuji GFXr offers the truck performance.
Someone compared the price of the GFX 50R with that of the rumoured price of the S1R. I find the comparison as relevant as that between a Porsche and a truck because:That is an odd analogy - you need to expand so the conversation can continue!
Well then your anaology is fair enough given the context. I often scratch my head at people's predisposition to compare unlike with unlike .Someone compared the price of the GFX 50R with that of the rumoured price of the S1R. I find the comparison as relevant as that between a Porsche and a truck because:
- The Fuji excels in one area: delivering medium format stills quality in a physically moderate format and for a reasonable price.
- The Panasonic will be much faster, have much better video quality and have ergonomics that is more suitable for a wider range of applications. It will also feature IBIS and dual IS. What else it will offer remains to be seen.
They are cameras aimed at totally different user groups, and although I try to be flexible when it comes to what cameras to compare, these to don't pass the test. Time will show how the Panasonic compares to the Z7 and the A7R III, but if the price rumours hold water, Panasonic must have something up the sleeve to make this a viable option, but my experience with Panasonic makes me confident that this might actually be value for money, even if the price is high.
There's another side to pricing also:Well then your anaology is fair enough given the context. I often scratch my head at people's predisposition to compare unlike with unlike .
Peopel like talkinhg camera gear - more than photographs.There's another side to pricing also:
Like many, not least many members of this forum, I've been changing cameras rather often the last 10 years, and it doesn't make sense. I'm aiming towards keeping my cameras for much longer in the future, and my two GX8 bodies, both bought cheaply second hand, are my first steps in that direction. However, the longer I keep my cameras, the less important price becomes. If I buy a state-of-the-art camera that costs $4,500 and keeps it for ten years, it's relatively good value. It won't be SOTA in ten years of course, but like my D2Xs which is well over 10 years old, it will still be good for many uses. I can live with a cost of $1.23 per day for a good camera body.
So if I buy an S1 or S1R, it will be for long term use, but most likely, I'll wait until they're available second hand. Having somebody else pay a third of my camera makes me feel soooo good.
If we do these comparisons, we need to consider also the Olympus EM1X that will be announced soon. The rumoured price shall be around $3000.- and if the rumoured video features are somehow true, this camera will give every Panasonic without 8K a run for the money - 4k 60fps internal and 4k 120 fps external. And for sure cinema 4K and new 7 stop IBIS and dual IBIS with selected PRO lenses. I wonder what the S1R will be able to better in that area. Yea it will be FF but hey - who cares? I think that for somehow mobile videography m43 has lot of advantages compared to FF as it is much lighter and easier to handle.For the price of a Porsche, you can buy a very nice pickup truck, which is a much bigger car. I wouldn't be surprised if you can buy two pickup trucks actually for that price, one for weekdays and one for Sundays.
At the moment, Panasonic seems rather successful selling a 10MP m4/3 camera without IBIS for $2,300 after discounts, the GH5s. Why? Because it offers features that no other mirrorless camera offers, and because those features are important to the users.
Panasonic is an innovative company (they invented mirrorless, remember?), and I'm sure they'll include some features with these new cameras that are to die for... or stay alive but pay a slightly higher fee than for you average CaNiSony.
We don't know yet what features the S1/R will offer.
Maybe but the takeaway is that we haven’t heard ANYTHING from Sony besides the announcement of at least 12 new lenses, ongoing development of the A7SIII, and rumors of a high-end crop body. There may still be higher end A9S/R variants too plus we may see that $3500 A9 price become permanent which would mean everyone would likely need to drop the prices of their FF cameras due to pressure from sony and Fuji GFX cameras. The 50S quietly got a $1000 price cut too but they e been available from Greentoe (body only) for ~$5200 for awhile now without a sale.For the price of a Porsche, you can buy a very nice pickup truck, which is a much bigger car. I wouldn't be surprised if you can buy two pickup trucks actually for that price, one for weekdays and one for Sundays.
At the moment, Panasonic seems rather successful selling a 10MP m4/3 camera without IBIS for $2,300 after discounts, the GH5s. Why? Because it offers features that no other mirrorless camera offers, and because those features are important to the users.
Panasonic is an innovative company (they invented mirrorless, remember?), and I'm sure they'll include some features with these new cameras that are to die for... or stay alive but pay a slightly higher fee than for you average CaNiSony.
We don't know yet what features the S1/R will offer.
This may indeed price to be true unless the intention is to remain a niche for users of their Micro 4/3 cameras that want a bigger sensor option.This is pretty much DOA, IMO.
..or may be DBA?
You mean pay $1000 extra just to remain within brand?This may indeed price to be true unless the intention is to remain a niche for users of their Micro 4/3 cameras that want a bigger sensor option.
Stranger things have happened.You mean pay $1000 extra just to remain within brand?
Tre, by comparison I find the GFX lenses with their current discounts not inexpensive but pretty reasonable. Amazing for the IQ they produce on the 50S.. :grin:Stranger things have happened.
There are people totally convinced they should remain with the same brand as their DSLR to use their existing lenses which they will eventually trade out of/sell in a year or two when the native Mirrorless version is released - assuming the market won’t be overly saturated with DSLR lenses (with a lower market demand) that camera stores/private sells make them take an even bigger hit on down the line AND assuming the apples to apples pricing will be linear. Watched people complain for a few years about the higher prices for lenses designed to be able to resolve the high density sensors... what are the new Canon, Panasonic, and Nikon equivalents going to cost? We see the price of the 28-70/2 is $3k and the 50/1.2 is $2300... the 58/0.95 manual is rumored to be around $6k... can we assume the 70-200 in Z mount may be upwards of $3k+ being that the newest F-Mount 70-200 goes for $2800 without discount?
People aren’t always rational when they want something and all GAS is driven by the idea that photographers want to take the variable that the gear can be/is the cause for “failure.” People pay lots to remove that variable.
I agree.Tre, by comparison I find the GFX lenses with their current discounts not inexpensive but pretty reasonable. Amazing for the IQ they produce on the 50S.. :grin:
This may indeed price to be true unless the intention is to remain a niche for users of their Micro 4/3 cameras that want a bigger sensor option.
Technically, Panasonic is a conglomerate that makes TV’s, cameras, kitchen electronics, vehicles, batteries, etc.You are kidding, right?
What is so special about sticking with a battery company?!
Nothing :lecture:What is so special about sticking with a battery company?!
You are joking, right? Panasonic is actually a larger company than Sony, and just as diversified, only in different areas. When it comes to professional video, Panasonic is one of the market leaders, hi-end hi-fi likewise. Remember Technics?You are kidding, right?
What is so special about sticking with a battery company?!