Phase One PC-TS Apo-Digitar 120 mm HM Aspheric vs. FUJINON GF 110 mm F.6 T/S

[Alkibiades]

as for the old 28 mm shift lens there is also the leica version of the 120 mm, afcourse the same lens, but the "leica" black paint and the leica emblem are so expensive to make....
So not only Alpa knows how to sale the same lens for much more money...

 

[Ben730]

as for the old 28 mm shift lens there is also the leica version of the 120 mm, afcourse the same lens, but the "leica" black paint and the leica emblem are so expensive to make....
So not only Alpa knows how to sale the same lens for much more money...

Be careful, there are people here in the forum who don't like to hear that.
That is a kind of blasphemy.

 

[MGrayson]

The Leica S 120 PC is available used for what doesn't seem to be an absurd price.

 

[jng]

The Leica S 120 PC is available used for what doesn't seem to be an absurd price.

Huh. Is there a decent Leica S to Hasselblad X lens adapter? Or can one do this via stacking S->H->X adapters? Just asking for a friend...

John

 

[MGrayson]

Huh. Is there a decent Leica S to Hasselblad X lens adapter? Or can one do this via stacking S->H->X adapters? Just asking for a friend...

John

No, unfortunately. As far as I know, there are no Leica S adapters to anything other than the Leica L mount (SL3 etc...)

 

[Paul Spinnler]

No, unfortunately. As far as I know, there are no Leica S adapters to anything other than the Leica L mount (SL3 etc...)

Kipon just released the world’s first and only third party AF!!! adapter for the GFX. This said, there will be an adapter for the S4. It’s not official, ie a Chinese reverse engineered product, but if that’s true, that’s a game changer for S glass and will drive prices.

In the whole MF world the S optics are some of the most severely undervalued optics - if there’s a chance one is into the S4, its prudent to load up on S glass now while prices are still depresssd because precisely Leica never opened the mount and because the S3 was so expensive from the get go.

The S24 is an optical marvel, as is the S100, the S45 and S120 are also amazing, in fact it’s hard to not love the S35 2.5!

 

[jng]

No, unfortunately. As far as I know, there are no Leica S adapters to anything other than the Leica L mount (SL3 etc...)

Welp, I can't speak to the build quality but FWIW I found this through an admittedly cursory Google search. But all other search results are for adapting lenses *to* Leica S bodies, not *from* Leica S lenses.

 

[Steve Hendrix]

My lens does not transmit anything that I could see anywhere. Nothing for the measurement either.
The contacts are clean, is something possibly defective?
The waist level finder of the XF also has 16 electrical contacts and I don't know why. They have no function.
Perhaps the contacts are also attached for protection/maintenance without a connection?
Thanks,
Ben

I'm out of the office today, but Brad was able to test this.

Metering works with auto extension rings. Which makes sense, because the electronic contacts have to be in place anyway in order for aperture control and leaf shutter control to exist.


Steve Hendrix/CI

 

[Paul Spinnler]

Welp, I can't speak to the build quality but FWIW I found this through an admittedly cursory Google search. But all other search results are for adapting lenses *to* Leica S bodies, not *from* Leica S lenses.

There's following adapters for S glass:

Cold
+ S-GFX
+ S-Hassy X

Hot
+ S to L for SL (official, great build quality)
+ S to GFX via Kipon -> game changer (inofficial, unsure about quality and performance)

S vintage - S mirrorless will be the crazy value driver for S glass as you'll be able to save big bucks compared to the new S lens line which will be very expensive, of course.

 

[diggles]

Welp, I can't speak to the build quality but FWIW I found this through an admittedly cursory Google search. But all other search results are for adapting lenses *to* Leica S bodies, not *from* Leica S lenses.

KEH has one too:

https://www.keh.com/leica-120mm-f-5-6-ts-apo-elmar-s-aspherical-lens-95-1.html

A bit more expensive than MPB, but my experience has been that KEH's condition ratings are more accurate…and it includes a tripod mount!

 

[jng]

KEH has one too:

https://www.keh.com/leica-120mm-f-5-6-ts-apo-elmar-s-aspherical-lens-95-1.html

A bit more expensive than MPB, but my experience has been that KEH's condition ratings are more accurate…and it includes a tripod mount!

I've had good luck with KEH's gear - they generally tend to rate their equipment conservatively so I've been happily surprised more often than not. And the lens housing of the Leica mount 120 ASPH looks pretty substantial, not to mention front heavy, so inclusion of the tripod collar seems worth a few extra dollars regardless.

John

 

[Ben730]

Here is a short update regarding my question about
the electrical contacts in the PC-TS Apo-Digitar 5.6/120 HM Aspheric from Phase One Support:

The aperture value is not transmitted to the camera/back!

Depending on how new the chip in the lens is, the focal length is transferred to the metadata. With older versions, the focal length is also not transferred.

 

[Steve Hendrix]

Here is a short update regarding my question about
the electrical contacts in the PC-TS Apo-Digitar 5.6/120 HM Aspheric from Phase One Support:

The aperture value is not transmitted to the camera/back!

Depending on how new the chip in the lens is, the focal length is transferred to the metadata. With older versions, the focal length is also not transferred.

Ahh ..... right, well it wouldn't with this lens, because (duh, Steve), this lens has a manual, not electronic aperture ring. But the auto extension tube must have the capacity to do this, because otherwise how would you change the aperture on lenses without manual aperture rings?


Steve Hendrix/CI

 

[Ben730]

In the meantime I have received the Cambo WRS - M645 adapter.
The lens (Phase One PC-TS Apo-Digitar 120mm HM) performs fantastically. In the pano position, I can shift up to 34 mm with an IQ3 100 without vignetting.
The corners stay perfectly sharp at F11. The image circle is only limited by the built-in lens hood.
With an SK 120 Asph in Copal I would only have 25 mm shift on the WRS.
The Phase One SK PC-TS 120 Asph offers 9 mm more shift and an additional 8 degrees of tilt.

I have not yet received the adapter for the Fuji GFX. As soon as I have it, I will inform you about the shift possibilities with this combination.

 

[jng]

In the meantime I have received the Cambo WRS - M645 adapter.
The lens (Phase One PC-TS Apo-Digitar 120mm HM) performs fantastically. In the pano position, I can shift up to 34 mm with an IQ3 100 without vignetting.
The corners stay perfectly sharp at F11. The image circle is only limited by the built-in lens hood.
With an SK 120 Asph in Copal I would only have 25 mm shift on the WRS.
The Phase One SK PC-TS 120 Asph offers 9 mm more shift and an additional 8 degrees of tilt.

I have not yet received the adapter for the Fuji GFX. I have not yet received the adapter for the Fuji GFX. As soon as I have it, I will inform you.

So do I understand correctly that you can use maximum 25mm shift on the Cambo + an additional 9mm shift from the PC-TS lens body? And without any interference from the adapter? That's a great hack!

John

 

[Ben730]

So do I understand correctly that you can use maximum 25mm shift on the Cambo + an additional 9mm shift from the PC-TS lens body? And without any interference from the adapter? That's a great hack!

John

It's 12 mm from the lens and 22 mm from the WRS. Not a millimeter more, as the built-in lens hood vignettes.

 

[Ben730]

The Kipon T&S M645 to GFX adapter has arrived. I can shift up 22 mm with the 120 Asph until the image is limited from below inside the adapter. Tilt and swing is 20 degrees. That is enormous!
There is no need for a comparison with the Fuji TS 110, the shift and tilt distances are much greater and the sharpness is wonderful. In addition, I can use this lens on almost all systems, from Phase One XF, Cambo WRS, Hasselblad X, Fuji GFX to Sony, Nikon, Canon, etc.
The SK 120 Asph has clearly exceeded my expectations.

However, the SK 120 Asph needs a well-adjusted lens hood on every camera (on all four edges of the frame!). Due to the enormous image circle, the lens collects stray light all around, which reduces the contrast. See pictures, with and without lens hood.

 

[Doppler9000]

Some MTF charts.

 

[rdeloe]

However, the SK 120 Asph needs a well-adjusted lens hood on every camera (on all four edges of the frame!). Due to the enormous image circle, the lens collects stray light all around, which reduces the contrast. See pictures, with and without lens hood.

Excellent results, but there's a very good chance the problem is also at the back end of the lens. The Kipon adapter is a likely suspect if you're getting stray light that causes veiling flare. These adapters are never treated properly on the inside to control stray light. Some lenses need also need a baffle in the rear. I have a sneaking suspicion that the inside of the GFX body is also a contributing factor. There's not much to be done about that except reduce the amount of stray light that gets inside.

 

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