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Question for the experts Hasselblad 300mm HC orange dot

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Paul2660

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As I understand it, if you are able to source a 300mm HC with the orange dot, when used with the H to X adapter, you still have both AF and IBIS.
If you add the 1.7 teleconverter with this lens, do you lose both IBIS and AF or just AF. I have located a used lens, but wanted to eventually get to the 510mm range, but not if I have to manually focus without the help of IBIS.

Thanks
Paul
 
Paul2660 said:
As I understand it, if you are able to source a 300mm HC with the orange dot, when used with the H to X adapter, you still have both AF and IBIS.
If you add the 1.7 teleconverter with this lens, do you lose both IBIS and AF or just AF. I have located a used lens, but wanted to eventually get to the 510mm range, but not if I have to manually focus without the help of IBIS.

Thanks
Paul
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As a practical matter, I don't think IBIS would be useful, at least if you plan to handhold the lens. I have the HC 300 and it is a beastly lens in terms of both size and weight. I can't even imagine trying to handhold it, even without adding on both the HX Adapter and the TC. It feels like it was carved out of a solid block of lead. Some telephoto lenses feel Lighter than they look. The HC 300 feels even heavier than it looks.
 
Paul2660 said:
As I understand it, if you are able to source a 300mm HC with the orange dot, when used with the H to X adapter, you still have both AF and IBIS.
If you add the 1.7 teleconverter with this lens, do you lose both IBIS and AF or just AF. I have located a used lens, but wanted to eventually get to the 510mm range, but not if I have to manually focus without the help of IBIS.

Thanks
Paul
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I wish I could answer this - but the 300mm HC lens we have in our rental inventory is older firmware, so I've reached out to Hasselblad to see if they are able to answer.

I agree the 300mm is a beast, not to mention the 1.7 TC is also quite heavy for its small size, it is a dense assembly of glass. However, given my experiences with the Fuji GF 500mm + 1.4 TC, which I have handheld for most of my shots, I'm optimistic the IBIS in the X2D may surprise you with its capabilities. If IBIS can work on the 300mm + 1.7 TC, I'd want to give it a try. The GF 500mm + 1.4TC weights substantially less, but still, I think IBIS would be a benefit for the 300mm HC + 1.7 TC. Fingers crossed.


Steve Hendrix/CI
 
Agree with @hcubell, the HC 300 weighs more than two XCD 1.9/80mm lenses. Then add the H to X adapter (don't know the weight) plus the 1.7 converter (465 g) and we're talking about 3kg of metal and glass in front of the X.
Regards,
Ralf
 
I’ve shot the Zeiss 350/5.6 SA with 1.4x APO hand held on the X2D using IBIS. Magnified focus and shooting is quite possible. The downside is the ES. But the focal length is manageable.
 
Most definitely would not hand hold it, but use it on tripod, However even though on tripod I have found trying to MF with such a long lens is not easy unless you have some form of IBIS to steady the view.

Paul
 
rmueller said:
Agree with @hcubell, the HC 300 weighs more than two XCD 1.9/80mm lenses. Then add the H to X adapter (don't know the weight) plus the 1.7 converter (465 g) and we're talking about 3kg of metal and glass in front of the X.
Regards,
Ralf
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Confirmed that the auto focus works. Not sure about the IBIS.


Steve Hendrix/CI
 
Paul2660 said:
Most definitely would not hand hold it, but use it on tripod, However even though on tripod I have found trying to MF with such a long lens is not easy unless you have some form of IBIS to steady the view.

Paul
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I thought you might be considering that. The conventional wisdom is that is that IBIS should be turned off when you are shooting on a tripod, but perhaps that assumes that the lens would otherwise be perfectly still with the camera on a tripod. With a long, heavy lens with even a small amount of wind, the convestion wisdom may not be accurate.
My HC 300mm is not an orange dot lens, so no AF. However, I will check to see if the IBIS still works, with and without a TC.
 
Thanks Steve, and Howard. Tricky to MF at least for me on a distant subject without IBIS as slightest movement makes the image jump.

Paul
 
Steve Hendrix said:
No-go for IBIS with 300mm.


Steve Hendrix/CI
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Steve, I just tested it with the HC 300mm.The IBIS does work on the HC 300mm. I had IBIS on and the ES released and took the photo. However, it does NOT work when I add the TC. The camera won't release the ES and I get a message that IBIS does not work with that lens (I.e., the 300mm with the TC). I also took two exposures handheld with and without IBIS and it is clealrly working. In fact, the exposure with the IBIS enabled was at 1/8 of a second looks shockingly sharp, at least on the LCD.
 
Howard, so with 300mm and X to H adapter IBIS works, and with the 300mm X to H adapter and 1.7 teleconverter IBIS doesn't work? or does it. AF does not.

Thanks
Paul
 
hcubell said:
Steve, I just tested it with the HC 300mm.The IBIS does work on the HC 300mm. I had IBIS on and the ES released and took the photo. However, it does NOT work when I add the TC. The camera won't release the ES and I get a message that IBIS does not work with that lens (I.e., the 300mm with the TC). I also took two exposures handheld with and without IBIS and it is clealrly working. In fact, the exposure with the IBIS enabled was at 1/8 of a second looks shockingly sharp, at least on the LCD.
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Good to know. That's a shame, as I was optimistic about the results with IBIS.

Steve Hendrix/CI


Paul2660 said:
Howard, so with 300mm and X to H adapter IBIS works, and with the 300mm X to H adapter and 1.7 teleconverter IBIS doesn't work? or does it. AF does not.

Thanks
Paul
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Paul, did you confirm this? Hasselblad told me that the auto focus would work when coupleed with the TC. But maybe they misunderstood what I was asking.


Steve Hendrix/CI
 
hcubell said:
I thought you might be considering that. The conventional wisdom is that is that IBIS should be turned off when you are shooting on a tripod, but perhaps that assumes that the lens would otherwise be perfectly still with the camera on a tripod. With a long, heavy lens with even a small amount of wind, the convestion wisdom may not be accurate.
My HC 300mm is not an orange dot lens, so no AF. However, I will check to see if the IBIS still works, with and without a TC.
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Agree with @Paul2660 that IBIS definitely helps to focus the long lens on a tripod. I've shot the 350 Tele-Superachromat + APO 1.4XE (490mm) on a tripod and saw no discernible degradation with IBIS enabled, so also not sure the conventional wisdom applies to such unconventional applications... That said, I would put @MGrayson's shooting such a contraption hand held (with ES, no less!) to be beyond unconventional... Just sayin', Matt...

John
 
Paul2660 said:
Howard, so with 300mm and X to H adapter IBIS works, and with the 300mm X to H adapter and 1.7 teleconverter IBIS doesn't work? or does it. AF does not.

Thanks
Paul
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My HC 300mm is not an Orange Dot lens, so no AF. However, IBIS does work on the lens without the TC attached. IBIS does not work if the TC is mounted with the HC 300m lens.
 
HC300 + TC1,7 => no AF on H6D. So I would be surprised if you could autofocus that on X1D / X2D, even in orange dot version... But that is interesting if you can.
 
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