I bought something from them in 2017 and I got a refund through credit, which I find somewhat annoying. Although I used part of the credit to rent a 90mm HR-SW. I actually would probably be willing to pay @Pannus near asking price for the combined 90mm and 138mm
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WTB: Phase One IQ4 150 + 40 HR + 90 HR-SW + 138 HR-SW
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Paul Spinnler
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Is he back from the beach already?
Hello all. I sold all these back to Steve Hendrix at Capture Integration if anyone is interested in buying used equipment. As great technically is the Phase One it is not a very “spontaneous” system. You can’t hop out of you car and get to it. You cannot hand hold, period. Unless someone is a professional photographer or you have weeks to hike around, it is not a practical system and is better to rent if you have a special trip for anyone other than a pro.
And just like with LF film, that for me is its greatest strength.
Point 'n' shoot, it ain't.
Paul Spinnler
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Thanks for the update.
Mexecutioner
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That's exactly why I bought it. For all my spontaneous snapshots I use my Z9.
We are fortunate to have many tools at our disposal these days.
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Bill Caulfeild-Browne
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I would not sell my IQ4-150 even if you offered me what I paid for it. What could I replace it with of similar quality? (Another IQ4-150 I guess!)
(I use an M11 for "spontaneous")
(I use an M11 for "spontaneous")
Paul Spinnler
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Most people selling it seem to either:
1) Realise AFTER purchasing that they prefer other ways of shooting compared to the slow tech cam way OR realize AFTER purchasing that the “best” doesn’t mean the easiest or convenient way of making photographs;
2) Need cash quickly in a more difficult economic environment;
3) Exit “enthusiastic” photography due to changing preferences, personal circumstances, or “professional” photography due to lack of financial opportunity in an ever changing market environment where a few still earn well, but most on average earn less making tech cam ownership not economically feasible anymore
If you like the tech cam way of shooting, are under no pressure financially or time-wise, and want the best quality there still is no alternative.
It seems that though the occurrence of one of the three points above becomes more prevalent these days …
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My post was of course met with the usual, “well system is best defense”. So tiring in these boards. I unwatched it and was not going to reply but I have decided to do so for the benefit of those who might be contemplating the purchase of this system.
1) It has the weatherproofing of my grandma’s slippers. The sensor picks up so much debris. I do a lot of ocean/beach photography. This system is not made for this environment.
2) The lack of a viewfinder means you are solely dependent on the display. I found this very limiting. Zooming in for focus in a bright/contrasty environment was very difficult at times and caused many out of focus shots.
3. The system is unwieldy. Hand held is a no-go.
Luckily I have the means for this type of gear, but it was not worth the value. I think the Hasselblad XD2 is on the right track.
With all that said the Phase One has many unique features and produced some amazing images. It’s not for me.
This post is for the benefit of those who might be considering this system. I will not be following the thread so a rebuttal to me is pointless.
Drury
1) It has the weatherproofing of my grandma’s slippers. The sensor picks up so much debris. I do a lot of ocean/beach photography. This system is not made for this environment.
2) The lack of a viewfinder means you are solely dependent on the display. I found this very limiting. Zooming in for focus in a bright/contrasty environment was very difficult at times and caused many out of focus shots.
3. The system is unwieldy. Hand held is a no-go.
Luckily I have the means for this type of gear, but it was not worth the value. I think the Hasselblad XD2 is on the right track.
With all that said the Phase One has many unique features and produced some amazing images. It’s not for me.
This post is for the benefit of those who might be considering this system. I will not be following the thread so a rebuttal to me is pointless.
Drury
No one questions the general consensus that P1's IQ4-150 still gives the best (technical) quality images. Definitely a step up from the "second-best" IQ3-100 (which I have) in particular as to fluidity of the photographic process.
But on the other hand, I can understand why some questioning the shelling out of $18K or more on a used electronic device whose market introduction was now more than five years ago that apparently still suffers from various handling gremlins and now also starts running out of factory warranty.
iPhones released before or shortly after the IQ4-150's introduction, iPhone X and iPhone XR, now have an average resale or trade-in value of about $140. Thats 14% of original purchase price. IQ4-150 was about $50K when released, if the same depreciation would apply, would now be $7K!
However, one critical difference is that we now have iPhone 15 but no indication if and when we will see a IQ5.
But on the other hand, I can understand why some questioning the shelling out of $18K or more on a used electronic device whose market introduction was now more than five years ago that apparently still suffers from various handling gremlins and now also starts running out of factory warranty.
iPhones released before or shortly after the IQ4-150's introduction, iPhone X and iPhone XR, now have an average resale or trade-in value of about $140. Thats 14% of original purchase price. IQ4-150 was about $50K when released, if the same depreciation would apply, would now be $7K!
However, one critical difference is that we now have iPhone 15 but no indication if and when we will see a IQ5.
Paul Spinnler
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It always looks to me like you want to down talk the product to get a low-ball price for yourself by trying to "convince" "the forum" that the IQ4 is not worth as much anymore.
The point here is a different one: P1 is still the non-plus-ultra in terms of IQ. It caters to the top 0.1% and these users – enthusiasts with money to spare, pro's and fine art artists – are less sensitive to price and ultimately price is a function of supply and demand.
Supply is low with P1 keeping prices high, demand for its products still being there and sporadic forum sales mostly coming from people exiting the platform due to a) urgent need of cash, b) changing preferences with regards to compactness and functionality.
I would never sell my IQ4 and am awaiting the next gen – could be '25 – to upgrade at 20-25k. The iPhone comparison doesn't make sense – this is a high-end niche product with unmatched specs to this day and it is not like there's anything better out there, even after 5 years. iPhones are mass-market products with gazillion alternatives and incremental upgrades year-on-year. It's not like we have an IQ7 out and you are complaining about the IQ4's second market price being still so high.
Did you see the dynamic range of the Fuji stuff – looks like 14 stops. Blown highlights. IQ4 still unmatched.
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JeffK
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Can you imagine an IQ5 250 Achromatic???? With real-time live view frame averaging... hit stop whenever you want and that's your shot. XCD and SD duo card slots, or direct to NVMe USB-C drive 4tb ssd. Doesn't even come with a screen anymore. iPhone required so you get the best screen ever.
WTB!
WTB!
Has anybody took this offer from CI:
www.captureintegration.com
Wonder that they have that many used IQ4 in stock to make a extra promotion?
Phase One IQ4 150mp Upgrade as low as $14,990 - Capture Integration
The Phase One IQ4 150mp digital back is the highest quality capture system that our industry has ever seen. Nothing comes close to it even with the latest releases from current manufacturers. Now is the time to trade your digital system up to the Phase One IQ4 150mp digital back for the lowest...
www.captureintegration.com
Paul Spinnler
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Isn't this the price when you trade in a latest gen back, ie for example a Trichromatic? The market value of this one is still at least 10-12k, which would put the effective price of an IQ4 at 24-26k, ie more than the last second hand market prices we saw for the back standalone.Has anybody took this offer from CI:
Wonder that they have that many used IQ4 in stock to make a extra promotion?Phase One IQ4 150mp Upgrade as low as $14,990 - Capture Integration
The Phase One IQ4 150mp digital back is the highest quality capture system that our industry has ever seen. Nothing comes close to it even with the latest releases from current manufacturers. Now is the time to trade your digital system up to the Phase One IQ4 150mp digital back for the lowest...
Did state "IQ4-150 still gives the best (technical) quality images". Unless there will be a future IQ5, the IQ4-150 might be the best 645 type digital DB ever.
Another example how supply vs demand governs market value:
eBay offerings of the Fuji Fujinon C 600mm F/11.5 are hovering around $4K, while those for the Fuji Fujinon T 600mm F12 are around $400.-
Reasonable to assume that when sold new the complex and heavy Fujinon T was more expensive than the simple, lightweight Fujinon C.
The very different asking prices are due to that the Fujinon C 600mm covers 11x14" and 600mm is a good focal length for portraits on a 11x14". Hence, there is apparently a demand for the Fujinon C 600mm, but little or none for the Fujinon T 600mm.
Trade-ins for new Fujifilm GFXs?
Paul Spinnler
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Not true – the T lenses, and I replied on this one too in the past (you seem to like to bring up weird comparisons over and over) – are tele designs. Less sharp, heavy as hell. C is sought after because it is compact and sharp and and all around great lens.
Yes, you are right on all accounts, but the real difference is that the Fujinon C covers 11x14" and the Fujinon T doesn't.
The lightweight and compact (for 11x14"!) Fuji Fujinon C 600mm is therefore very popular with the 11x14" crowd.