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Fair enough, but I'm sure in no time somewhere in the world somebody will construct a protective case for it that will provide a secure and comfortable grip too ...I saw a top down view of the camera in another forum post and the style of the ZX1 is very similar to the Sigma Quattro design. I previously owned both the DP Quattro and SDQ-H and found the ergonomics not to my liking.
The same could certainly be said of my Leica M-D typ 262. It has nothing at all with respect to features, and the only thing it has over the Zeiss is interchangeable lenses. Add the Summilux-M 35mm lens and it was a $10,000 camera.But what does it bring to the table, that others don't have?
And at what price?
Zeiss can make cameras. Their last offering, that I still own, was the film Ikon RF whose vertical alignment was off straight out of the box!
Maybe it is the future..onboard storage/memory, editing apps etc. But my iPhone has all that. I prefer to do my photo editing on the computer. Except for Instagram or FB use. Then I use my cell phone.
Does it have anti-shake, VR, Ibis or whatever it is called?
In my opinion, a meagre offering which I just glanced at. meh.
I largely agree with you but as a test bed this may be an interesting look at the future of where cameras may go... and I mostly mean for them to be much more integrated with mobile computing. I have little doubt that Zeiss will price this a little out of the expected price range of most... perhaps far higher than we may expect depending on how much they admire their work.But what does it bring to the table, that others don't have?
And at what price?
Zeiss can make cameras. Their last offering, that I still own, was the film Ikon RF whose vertical alignment was off straight out of the box!
Maybe it is the future..onboard storage/memory, editing apps etc. But my iPhone has all that. I prefer to do my photo editing on the computer. Except for Instagram or FB use. Then I use my cell phone.
Does it have anti-shake, VR, Ibis or whatever it is called?
In my opinion, a meagre offering which I just glanced at. meh.
I dunno. The ZX1 seems pretty slick. And when I look at how much of the photography I've done in this past trip with the CL, I find that 90% or more of it was done with the effectively similar focal length (28mm on APS-C) lens. Both cameras would be solid, reliable working tools, just like my M-D and also like the Light L16 has become.More likely I'll just get the maximum iPhone this Winter and actually start using it as a camera.
As much as I say I wish for a compact full frame with a classic 35/2 I've ignored the Sony RX-# out of ergonomic and UI criticism. Probably the same with this one too... I wish the ZX1 came out in the 2000s, other than the touch screen we had most of the technology in place.
The more I think about what works in real life, the higher end phone that is always with you trumps all the pocket candy and jewelry mirrorless stuff....
The same could certainly be said of my Leica M-D typ 262. It has nothing at all with respect to features, and the only thing it has over the Zeiss is interchangeable lenses. Add the Summilux-M 35mm lens and it was a $10,000 camera.
Yet I'd let go of nearly every other camera I own before I sell that one. So some folks' "meh" can easily be another person's dream.
G
"As much as I say I wish for a compact full frame with a classic 35/2 I've ignored the Sony RX-# out of ergonomic and UI criticism. Probably the same with this one too... I wish the ZX1 came out in the 2000s, other than the touch screen we had most of the technology in place."
I mentioned above that I'd prefer the RX1r2 to the Zeiss, and so I guess I should say something about its ergonomics. I wouldn't use it 'naked.' It needs accessories, for example:
1. Thumbs Up
2. Hand grip (I tried a couple and chose Metro; your hands may differ)
3. Shutter release button
4. Wrist strap
In my medium-sized hands, it feels and balances just like the M4 that I used for thirty years, with an accurate VF and autofocus. IMO it's a more useful camera than I can imagine the new Zeiss to be (and even the Leicas that Godfrey mentions).
I'd told a friend to watch for the Zeiss, thinking it would be a more-or-less legitimate offspring of the Rx1 series and Zeiss' last classic film camera. But what they've come up with, while it might foretell the future in some technical respects, seems way to bulky for what it accomplishes, without interchangeable lenses. If it was meant as a street photography camera, I don't think it'll sell very well.
Kirk
For some additional fairness if you pop up the EVF on the Sony the top of the RX1 EVF comes close to the Zeiss.Size comparison with Sony RX1MII:
Size comparison with the Fuji GFR50:
Tim, If you handle a Rx1R II you would appreciate how compact it really is. Besides, it has a very useful tilting LCD while that of the ZX1 brick is ancient and stuck (likely to be damaged easily as well because of the large surface).For some additional fairness if you pop up the EVF on the Sony the top of the RX1 EVF comes close to the Zeiss.
So yes while the Sony can be more compact the Zeiss is ready to go with EVF only needing to be powered on.
If the Zeiss has stunning IQ then I'll forgive many an issue and adapt (a bit like the DP Merrills). But we already know the RX1 is no slouch in that area.
Compact is nice when carrying but handling when using and taking becomes top. Its a balance.
Larger fixed lens vs. smaller ILC? Are you sure you want to go there?More sensible to compare it with the Leica M10 that it is fundamentally most similar to from a layout perspective:
Are you trying to create a fight?Larger fixed lens vs. smaller ILC? Are you sure you want to go there?