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    Hasselblad 100 on S2

    I would like to hear from anyone who has had experience using the Hasselblad 100mm f/2.2, Leica H to L adapter, with an S2? I am considering adding this lens and would be interested in how well it compares in image quality etc. with respect to Leica native lenses.

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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    Quote Originally Posted by pesto View Post
    I would like to hear from anyone who has had experience using the Hasselblad 100mm f/2.2, Leica H to L adapter, with an S2? I am considering adding this lens and would be interested in how well it compares in image quality etc. with respect to Leica native lenses.

    Thank you.

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    Douglas,there is most likely a Leica 100mm f2 on the way.. check out the screen grab from LR which lists this lens..

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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    Thanks Rob, that is very good news.

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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    OMG, I cannot imagine what that S100/2 ASPH will cost in CS version. $9K+ is my guess.

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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    [QUOTE=fotografz;591891]OMG, I cannot imagine what that S100/2 ASPH will cost in CS version. $9K+ is my guess.

    Marc, I think that you might be suffering from an acute attack of optimism.
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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    Yeah, f/2 probably will push this lens past the $10 to 11K mark in CS version.

    That's a boatload of cash considering that you can get the HC100/2.2 and H to S adapter for about $3,200 to $3,500 used.

    Terrific set-up BTW, I use that combo all the time. The 100/2.2(CS) and Leica 45/2.8-CS are my most used lenses on the S2P.

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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    It's a great combo. I use it frequently on my S and assume it will work equally well on the S2. My first H-S adapter wouldn't work in CS mode on certain lenses, but the replacement works fine. Hasselblad lenses brings their own character and the HC 100 seems very well suited for the S system.

    Good luck!

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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    that is very good news.

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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

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    Douglas,there is most likely a Leica 100mm f2 on the way.. check out the screen grab from LR which lists this lens..

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    Rob
    Wow, really good news !!

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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    Huh, I don't really see that much of a benefit to a 100mm f/2 when the 120mm f/2.5 is probably the best lens in the whole system...probably the best lens I have used in any system. 20mm makes a difference, but it is not dramatic in this case.
    I would have much rather they did the 45mm as an f/2...seems much more useful to have a fast moderate wide than a fast portrait lens...the depth of field on 100mm at f/2 (or 120mm at f/2.5) is already so thin as to be useful more for atmospheric effects than most general photographic work. 45mm f/2 on the other hand is quite useful for even general images, particularly in low light...
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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    Stuart, I now have the CS-45/2.8, and IT now may be the best lenses in the whole system IMO, (although we're splitting hairs at this level of performance).

    The 45/2.8 is already huge, so I'm not sure a gain in size to get to f/2 would have been worth it.

    The 120/2.5 Macro is big and has dog slow AF compared to the other S lenses, so as a general working lens a regular 100mm may be welcome to many who already have the 120, or don't necessarily want a macro.

    We'll have to see how the new 100/2 performs, what "level of spectacular" it is, how big it is, how fast it AFs, and how much it cost … since the HC100/2.2 is pretty reasonable in size, has fast AF, is pretty spectacular in its' own right, and the cost is very reasonable.

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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    Hi Marc,
    I am glad to hear it is so good. I had been looking for a lens in the 45mm range, but when I saw the size and aperture of the 45mm, I went with the 30-90mm instead. While I loved the utility of the lens and its center performance, mine did not seem to do very well in the corners and edges of the images. It went to Leica and they said they could not find anything wrong with it, so they want to see the body (which is fine with the other lenses). I am printing a book nearby in Karlsruhe in a few weeks, so I am just going to bring my body to the factory and go for a visit. Hopefully I will get a chance to try the 45mm then. If the performance is as good as you say, that's great news, but I have to admit I am still underwhelmed by the size and speed...given how good the 35mm is at 2.5, I was a bit disappointed that they could not make a smaller and faster 45mm. Still, the performance is more important than the size and weight to me in this system, and 2.8 is not exactly slow. If the 30-90 had performed as well as the 35mm or 70mm, that would have been more than enough for me, but unfortunately mine couldn't get tack sharp corners at any focal length or aperture, and that is a problem that is only going to get worse as the bodies increase in resolution. Assuming that is a design feature and not a fault with the camera or body, I will likely sell it and try to find a 45mm...

    As for the 120mm, it performs so well for me that the occasional hunting does not bother me so much, but I can understand how someone might want a lens more similar to the 180mm if they were mostly working with quick moving subjects. I am not sure if I just got a great copy, but my 120mm is sharper at 2.5 than most lenses I have used in other systems...that along with the quality of the bokeh, lack of distortion and APO color and close focusing...well, I really don't have anything to criticize. I wind up shooting a lot more with it than I would an equivalent focal length on another system, just because of how well it draws. I have 24 images in my book and 8 of them with were with the 120mm, 10 with the 70mm, 2 with the 35mm, 1 with the 30-90 (at 83mm) and 1 with the M9 and 35mm summilux. Considering how long the 120mm is, I think the fact that 8 of 24 were shot with it is a testament to the quality of the lens...
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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    Hello Stuart,
    I agree that 20mm of focal length and 1/3 stop of aperture are trivial and essentially distinctions without a difference here but the lethargic autofocus of the 120, while a great lens otherwise, has caused me to miss far too many shots. I lament that I have become somewhat dependent on AF, but it really can be a major advantage when attempting to capture fast moving and uncooperative subjects; i.e. cats.

    I previously used the P1 system with the Schneider 110 and P! 150 and found those to be nearly ideal in good light but the absence of TTL on camera flash led me to the S2/ 120 setup. So previously I had the lens(s) but no light and now I have the light and no lens…maybe it's time to dust off my old Canon.

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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    Or slower cats...
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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    Completely agree with Stuart. S lenses are something but the 120mm is even more astonishing. The best lens I've got. It's AF is not that slow, I can easily adapt my shooting speed to it. But I'm not shooting in low light or fast moving subjects with it. This 120mm is so good I've decided to upgrade mine (currently on sale) for the CS version to get even more use out of it.
    Wish that the 70mm was closer in IQ and drawing to the magnificent 120mm.
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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    Quote Originally Posted by anGy View Post
    Completely agree with Stuart. S lenses are something but the 120mm is even more astonishing. The best lens I've got. It's AF is not that slow, I can easily adapt my shooting speed to it. But I'm not shooting in low light or fast moving subjects with it. This 120mm is so good I've decided to upgrade mine (currently on sale) for the CS version to get even more use out of it.
    Wish that the 70mm was closer in IQ and drawing to the magnificent 120mm.
    A good solution would be a firmware update which allows a choice of focus range,i.e near to 2M and 2m to infinity,the Hasselblad H camera's have this feature.

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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    I don't have many issues with the AF because I am generally photographing things that don't move, or at least things I can browbeat into not moving (i.e. adults!). But when I do struggle with the AF it is almost always because of it deciding to hunt through the entire AF range. I agree that it would be great if there was a firmware trick to set a particular focus range. My guess though is that if this were easy to do, they would have done it already...I have heard the criticism from most everyone who has worked the 120mm, so I guess Leica is probably aware of the issue.

    I also agree with anGy about wishing the 70mm was as good as the 120. It is a great lens, but the 120mm is simply otherworldly. I have found the 35mm to be absolutely outstanding as well...not as good as the 120mm, but one of my first S2 culture shocks was when I shot the 35mm wide open and the center of the frame was eye-poppingly sharp, while the edges were still extremely good...nothing I had shot in medium format had come close, not even the 43mm Mamiya, which is slower at f/4.5. Of the S lenses I have used, I would put the ranking as follows: 120mm, 35mm, 70mm, 180mm, 30-90mm. The 180mm is good stopped down, but not that special wide open, at least not compared to the 120mm! The 30-90 would go way up for me if it could just get sharp edges and corners at any aperture...the usability is great and look it has is very nice, but soft edges are not why I use the S2...we will see if that is a problem with the lens or camera, but if it isn't, I will probably sell it for the 45mm.
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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    Don't know how much sample variation there is with Leica S lenses but my 2nd 70mm lens is better wide open than my 1st one. I just upgraded for a CS version and could only test it on 10 pictures before the sensor of my S2 made some kind of fatal LSD trip (repair under warranty, alleluia !). With this 1s test of the 70mm CS it is quite obvious that center sharpness is better @ f2,5 than my older sample.
    Not pretending that the CS versions are better. But there is some kind of sample variation or maybe simply production improvement by Leica. The CS is brand new, the non CS was produced 2 years earlier. The older was also rather poor at corner wide open (even when trying to take field curvature into account).
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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    Yes, it could be. I think that these cameras and lenses are really pushing the limits of the mechanical tolerances too, so even though the lens and camera are supposed to tell each other exactly where the sensor plane and focus plane intersect, I have a feeling that small mismatches can occur or even develop over time, particularly if you mount and dismount lenses a lot. I know my lens mount now shows a bit of bare brass, and given the precision involved I can imagine that might be reflected in a slight degradation of performance. It's all angles dancing on the head of a pin though...all of my lenses except the 30-90 were head and shoulders above nearly anything else I have used.
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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    I wonder if there is not something germane to the 120mm focal length in medium format that creates such wonderful images. My autofocus related criticisms aside, I do recognize that the S 120 is a great lens but certainly no more so, at least in my opinion, than was the Contax 120 and in fact, the P1 120 is an excellent lens as well. Granted that the Contax was manual focus, it remains among my favorite all time lenses; fortunately I also had the 140 to do what I am attempting to do (unsuccessfully for the most part, I might ad) with the S120.

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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    I agree...the 100-120mm focal length is lovely on medium format, in the same way that 70-100mm is on 35mm. A long standard lens or a short tele is a very fundamental lens for me. I also made many of my favorite images on the Hassleblad with the 110mm f/2. I always thought of it as a wonderful lens with beautiful bokeh and very sharp stopped down. I was surprised when I tried it on the S2 to compare to the 120mm S...the S was sharper across the frame at 2.5 than the Hasselblad was at f/8!!! It was in focus, just the degree of micro-contrast and freedom from aberrations in the Leica lens lifted the performance to a great degree.
    Technical performance is not everything though, and I certainly would not hesitate to use the 110/2 on the Hasselblad.
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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    Quote Originally Posted by pesto View Post
    I wonder if there is not something germane to the 120mm focal length in medium format that creates such wonderful images. My autofocus related criticisms aside, I do recognize that the S 120 is a great lens but certainly no more so, at least in my opinion, than was the Contax 120 and in fact, the P1 120 is an excellent lens as well. Granted that the Contax was manual focus, it remains among my favorite all time lenses; fortunately I also had the 140 to do what I am attempting to do (unsuccessfully for the most part, I might ad) with the S120.

    Douglas.there was a comparison between Contax and S glass (Both on a Leica S2)on another forum and everyone that commented including the Contax glass owner thought the S glass had slightly better contrast and resolution..

    Thats not to say the Contax glass was anything other than very nice..But the S glass had a small advantage..

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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Richardson View Post
    Huh, I don't really see that much of a benefit to a 100mm f/2 when the 120mm f/2.5 is probably the best lens in the whole system...probably the best lens I have used in any system. 20mm makes a difference, but it is not dramatic in this case.
    I would have much rather they did the 45mm as an f/2...seems much more useful to have a fast moderate wide than a fast portrait lens...the depth of field on 100mm at f/2 (or 120mm at f/2.5) is already so thin as to be useful more for atmospheric effects than most general photographic work. 45mm f/2 on the other hand is quite useful for even general images, particularly in low light...
    Oh well!

    Richard I think this lens will be a success if its a fast focusing lens..the 120 is not good enough for moving subjects such as a fashion shoot,and the extra 2/3rd's of a stop will make a difference in natural light,especially when the new S will have cmos that will allow for this style of shooting..

    But I do agree a fast wide would be nice,I would expect an f2 wide to be as least as expensive as a 100mm f2 and Very large ;-)

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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

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    Hi Marc,
    I am glad to hear it is so good. I had been looking for a lens in the 45mm range, but when I saw the size and aperture of the 45mm, I went with the 30-90mm instead. While I loved the utility of the lens and its center performance, mine did not seem to do very well in the corners and edges of the images. It went to Leica and they said they could not find anything wrong with it, so they want to see the body (which is fine with the other lenses). I am printing a book nearby in Karlsruhe in a few weeks, so I am just going to bring my body to the factory and go for a visit. Hopefully I will get a chance to try the 45mm then. If the performance is as good as you say, that's great news, but I have to admit I am still underwhelmed by the size and speed...given how good the 35mm is at 2.5, I was a bit disappointed that they could not make a smaller and faster 45mm. Still, the performance is more important than the size and weight to me in this system, and 2.8 is not exactly slow. If the 30-90 had performed as well as the 35mm or 70mm, that would have been more than enough for me, but unfortunately mine couldn't get tack sharp corners at any focal length or aperture, and that is a problem that is only going to get worse as the bodies increase in resolution. Assuming that is a design feature and not a fault with the camera or body, I will likely sell it and try to find a 45mm...

    As for the 120mm, it performs so well for me that the occasional hunting does not bother me so much, but I can understand how someone might want a lens more similar to the 180mm if they were mostly working with quick moving subjects. I am not sure if I just got a great copy, but my 120mm is sharper at 2.5 than most lenses I have used in other systems...that along with the quality of the bokeh, lack of distortion and APO color and close focusing...well, I really don't have anything to criticize. I wind up shooting a lot more with it than I would an equivalent focal length on another system, just because of how well it draws. I have 24 images in my book and 8 of them with were with the 120mm, 10 with the 70mm, 2 with the 35mm, 1 with the 30-90 (at 83mm) and 1 with the M9 and 35mm summilux. Considering how long the 120mm is, I think the fact that 8 of 24 were shot with it is a testament to the quality of the lens...
    Richard do you think your 30-90 could be a bad sample..?? I bought one and will be collecting it in a week or so,its in Germany..

    I did read a couple of reviews but they were very positive about the performance.I hope I'm not disappointed ,it cost as much as a car.. ;-)

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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    It very well could be. But Leica received it in for service and said they could not find anything wrong with it...so they asked for the body. When I am there in the next few weeks, I will find out. But as far as I am concerned, the performance is not acceptable. I am certainly willing to give Leica the benefit of the doubt though!
    Here is an example of the problem though:
    I am attaching two pictures...one of the whole scene, and one of 100% crop of the left side. This was taken at 83mm at f/9.5...I would rather this be totally sharp, but the left edge is quite blurred. The center is extremely sharp...right edge is not as bad as the left, but not superb.
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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    I am also not sure if that full image is a crop...it may be. I will have to check at the studio tomorrow. But basically the left side is quite soft in comparison to the center, and at an aperture like f/9.5 (it is still a problem wider open or more stopped down) I think any Leica S lens should be more or less uniformly sharp across the frame. We will see though if the body is the problem or the lens...if it is the body, then it is very odd, as it is fine with all the other lenses.
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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Richardson View Post
    I am also not sure if that full image is a crop...it may be. I will have to check at the studio tomorrow. But basically the left side is quite soft in comparison to the center, and at an aperture like f/9.5 (it is still a problem wider open or more stopped down) I think any Leica S lens should be more or less uniformly sharp across the frame. We will see though if the body is the problem or the lens...if it is the body, then it is very odd, as it is fine with all the other lenses.
    Asymmetrical blur sounds like a faulty lens,I will have mine soon and will test with an aperture series as soon as i can..

    I know Guy has used this lens at the Acadia workshop and he said it was stellar.."Leica S with 30-90 zoom. I will figure out the best way to process these images. I shot all day with it and i do not use Lightroom and bringing them into C1 and i will build a nice style to handle them but it does look nice and a fun cam to shoot. Oh my muscles are much better with it too. A little heavy with that zoom but that lens is a major sweet heart. Shot at ISO 400" "

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    This post was from Joe Colson who also owns this system.."I shoot with an S and just got back from the San Juan Mountains in Colorado (Ouray, Ridgeway, etc.). The lenses I used were the 30-90mm znd the 180mm. The 30-90mm is a dream lens - sharp corner to corner, brilliant micro-contrast - and virtually eliminated my need to carry the 35mm and 70mm." >> http://www.getdpi.com/forum/leica/48...-leica-s2.html

    Since Joe Colson uses it on a regular basis he would be a good person to check with!

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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    Actually, this is the first I've heard any complaint about the S Zoom. Most rave about the corner performance. It seems like your lens is de-centered or something. I think I would shoot some very specific tests in more controlled conditions (the dreaded brick wall), and send the results along with the lens back to Leica. I sure the heck wouldn't let them monkey around with your camera if all the other lenses are stellar on it.

    Leica can have the ocassional lazy tech people just like other companies. How many times have we sent lenses in only to come back with issues and then have to be sent back again? I had a M50/1.4 ASPH that took three trips to get right.

    I skipped this S Zoom lens because of the slow max aperture for what and how I shoot, but more importantly because it doesn't come in a CS version.

    I had the Hasselblad mid-zoom which is also quite good with DAC applied, and it is a leaf-shutter lens. Unfortunately, I had sold it before the H to S adapter became available. I also found that H zoom was to slow in max aperture for my applications (the closest I ever get to doing landscape photography is environment portraits using a monopod).

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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    Mine is extremely sharp on center, has few aberrations, lovely bokeh, focuses quickly, handles well. In all aspects except one it is a superb lens. Mine just isn't sharp in the corners and edges. Leica received it and said they couldn't find anything wrong with it, so I have to take them at their word. Based on my past experience with them, I am sure that they will look harder once they have my camera body and find a way to resolve the issue.

    If it does turn out that this is the nature of the lens, then I can only think that the reason you haven't heard it is that there are vanishingly few of these lenses in the world and probably even fewer who use them on a tripod focused at near infinity with the intention of getting everything sharp from corner to corner. Unlike many other places, Iceland has a lot of detail in the distances...there are not many trees, vegetation or buildings in the foreground and very little pollution or haze, so a landscape image will more often have everything at a medium/long distance with very fine detail visible. It is brutal on lenses, and with a camera like the S2, the difference between unsharp and sharp is very obvious.
    It's my hope and belief that this is just a technical problem, but we'll see!
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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

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    Mine is extremely sharp on center, has few aberrations, lovely bokeh, focuses quickly, handles well. In all aspects except one it is a superb lens. Mine just isn't sharp in the corners and edges. Leica received it and said they couldn't find anything wrong with it, so I have to take them at their word. Based on my past experience with them, I am sure that they will look harder once they have my camera body and find a way to resolve the issue.

    If it does turn out that this is the nature of the lens, then I can only think that the reason you haven't heard it is that there are vanishingly few of these lenses in the world and probably even fewer who use them on a tripod focused at near infinity with the intention of getting everything sharp from corner to corner. Unlike many other places, Iceland has a lot of detail in the distances...there are not many trees, vegetation or buildings in the foreground and very little pollution or haze, so a landscape image will more often have everything at a medium/long distance with very fine detail visible. It is brutal on lenses, and with a camera like the S2, the difference between unsharp and sharp is very obvious.
    It's my hope and belief that this is just a technical problem, but we'll see!
    Stuart,If you haven't come across this already it's worth a read. Joseph Holmes - News: Medium Format Problems

    This is god advice.."Photographers -- expect trouble and look for it. Make wide aperture test shots at infinity and examine the results. Check to see that all four corners and the middle are sharp, and more or less equally so. Expect to have trouble focussing your M.F. digital cameras -- simply because the precision required is so extreme."

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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Richardson View Post
    Mine is extremely sharp on center, has few aberrations, lovely bokeh, focuses quickly, handles well. In all aspects except one it is a superb lens. Mine just isn't sharp in the corners and edges. Leica received it and said they couldn't find anything wrong with it, so I have to take them at their word. Based on my past experience with them, I am sure that they will look harder once they have my camera body and find a way to resolve the issue.

    If it does turn out that this is the nature of the lens, then I can only think that the reason you haven't heard it is that there are vanishingly few of these lenses in the world and probably even fewer who use them on a tripod focused at near infinity with the intention of getting everything sharp from corner to corner. Unlike many other places, Iceland has a lot of detail in the distances...there are not many trees, vegetation or buildings in the foreground and very little pollution or haze, so a landscape image will more often have everything at a medium/long distance with very fine detail visible. It is brutal on lenses, and with a camera like the S2, the difference between unsharp and sharp is very obvious.
    It's my hope and belief that this is just a technical problem, but we'll see!
    Stuart,I finally received mine yesterday..and from the test shots I've made so far I would agree with you that its very sharp centrally but unable to match the primes at the edges and corners...

    I'll keep it though for the versatility,its also very sharp wide open..like every other S lens..

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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    Just saw this thread. I use a VE 30-90 non-stop with a 24mm for when I need something a bit wider.
    Here is a recent shot (nothing as exotic as Iceland, but it should help with the discussion) done with the 30-90 VE @ 30mm @ ƒ11 on an S with 100% crops for your perusal.... no complaints here.

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    Just saw this thread. I use a VE 30-90 non-stop with a 24mm for when I need something a bit wider.
    Here is a recent shot (nothing as exotic as Iceland, but it should help with the discussion) done with the 30-90 VE @ 30mm on an S with 100% crops for your perusal.... no complaints here.

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    Richard these are all edge crops I presume,what apertures did you use? They look good,I'll do a few more later and with a Prime for comparison,It is a great lens but I find the primes to be a little better which is not really a surprise.

    I'll post some shots as soon as I get a chance..what the zoom gives up in absolute IQ is compensated by versatility.

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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    It's still quite good at 30mm to 65mm or so. Try it at 80 or 90mm at longer distances...that's where mine has the most trouble at least. Mine came back from service and is better but it is still not quite good enough for me to use without reservation. Leica saw both it and the body and said both were perfect, so it is not an issue of the lens itself, rather the particular optical formula. As Rob said, it is a compromise, but I am slightly more surprised about it than Rob, as in Leica's marketing for the lens, they say that the lens is as good as the primes, only slower. That might be true on center, but it is not true across the frame. I should have looked closer at the MTF, as it is clear on their charts.
    That said, it is an extremely useful lens, very nice to work with, and excellent in every way except this one. It is just better suited to applications where corners and edges are less important than versatility...in my application it tends to be the opposite! So if I did it all over I would have just gotten the 45mm. But selling the 30-90 would mean losing a lot of money, and it does give me coverage between 35 and 70 and 70 and 120, which I would not otherwise have. But in general, if I can bring along and shoot with the 35mm, 70mm or 120, I will reach for those first over the zoom.

    Here are two from a few days ago with the fixed lens though.



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    Richard these are all edge crops I presume,what apertures did you use? They look good,I'll do a few more later and with a Prime for comparison,It is a great lens but I find the primes to be a little better which is not really a surprise.

    I'll post some shots as soon as I get a chance..what the zoom gives up in absolute IQ is compensated by versatility.

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    Rob, shot at ƒ11. Yes, they are edge and corner crops. The full image is the first image posted in the group. I'll see what I can come up with for a longer focal length sample....

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    Rob, shot at ƒ11. Yes, they are edge and corner crops. The full image is the first image posted in the group. I'll see what I can come up with for a longer focal length sample....

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    From what I have seen of far f11 is the best aperture.. some slight signs of diffraction but the extra DOF helps improves the edges..

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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

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    It's still quite good at 30mm to 65mm or so. Try it at 80 or 90mm at longer distances...that's where mine has the most trouble at least. Mine came back from service and is better but it is still not quite good enough for me to use without reservation. Leica saw both it and the body and said both were perfect, so it is not an issue of the lens itself, rather the particular optical formula. As Rob said, it is a compromise, but I am slightly more surprised about it than Rob, as in Leica's marketing for the lens, they say that the lens is as good as the primes, only slower. That might be true on center, but it is not true across the frame. I should have looked closer at the MTF, as it is clear on their charts.
    That said, it is an extremely useful lens, very nice to work with, and excellent in every way except this one. It is just better suited to applications where corners and edges are less important than versatility...in my application it tends to be the opposite! So if I did it all over I would have just gotten the 45mm. But selling the 30-90 would mean losing a lot of money, and it does give me coverage between 35 and 70 and 70 and 120, which I would not otherwise have. But in general, if I can bring along and shoot with the 35mm, 70mm or 120, I will reach for those first over the zoom.

    Here are two from a few days ago with the fixed lens though.



    Stuart I would keep it as its still excellent and we can crop for sharper edges if needed,also when your in an environment where changing glass is a problem due to weather,dust or sand etc the Zoom is a great asset...

    I will try and do more shots soon across the focal range... so far I tired 30mm,65mm and 90mm

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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    Here are screen grabs from the 70mm vs the VE @70mm..

    The prime is in an different league.. both files are dng with no adjustments . SOC..

    these uploads have been resized too much so I am posting the RAW files..

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    This is the best way as you can sharpen them as you prefer...



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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    Thanks for those Rob.

    I have to say the difference you demonstrate is pretty dramatic, but I've not experienced the that level of softness at the edges in any of my shots since owning the lens. Granted I shoot at ƒ11 exclusively.

    One more recent sample... Infinity, [email protected]ƒ11

    Sorry I don't shoot the VE at the long lengths that often.
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    Thanks for those Rob.

    I have to say the difference you demonstrate is pretty dramatic, but I've not experienced the that level of softness at the edges in any of my shots since owning the lens. Granted I shoot at ƒ11 exclusively.

    One more recent sample... Infinity, [email protected]ƒ11

    Sorry I don't shoot the VE at the long lengths that often.
    I'm considering returning it to have it checked again.. I'll run a few more shots at the wider focal lengths and see how it performs,but the primes remain my first choice.

    It could be sample variation ... Zooms are more complex than primes and more likely to have tolerance issues or decentered elements and yours does seem to perform better than mine or Stuarts.

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    I'm considering returning it to have it checked again.. I'll run a few more shots at the wider focal lengths and see how it performs,but the primes remain my first choice.

    It could be sample variation ... Zooms are more complex than primes and more likely to have tolerance issues or decentered elements and yours does seem to perform better than mine or Stuarts.

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    I think it's worth pursuing. Your VE just doesn't look like it's performing properly, to me.

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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    Yours looks very similar to the results I was getting with mine, and as I said, they said it was fine, but then they said they did some small adjustments. And I was there at the factory in person with both the lens and the camera. You might considering trying to do some focus bracketing as well, as I have a feeling that sometimes the issue is curvature of field...that the center is in good focus, but the edges are not because of a curvature of field issue. This would also explain how it is sometimes better than other times.

    Also, I have not really found any problems shooting the lens at 30mm to 60mm...it just seems to be more of a problem at the longer focal lengths
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Richardson View Post
    Yours looks very similar to the results I was getting with mine, and as I said, they said it was fine, but then they said they did some small adjustments. And I was there at the factory in person with both the lens and the camera. You might considering trying to do some focus bracketing as well, as I have a feeling that sometimes the issue is curvature of field...that the center is in good focus, but the edges are not because of a curvature of field issue. This would also explain how it is sometimes better than other times.

    Also, I have not really found any problems shooting the lens at 30mm to 60mm...it just seems to be more of a problem at the longer focal lengths

    I did try a couple of "3D" scenes with more scope for viewing field curvature issues but It was still lagging behind the primes and I think that at the distance in those test shots which were near infinity field curvature should be less of an issue.

    I will more than likely return it for examination..I think that it could certainly be better.

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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Richardson View Post
    Yours looks very similar to the results I was getting with mine, and as I said, they said it was fine, but then they said they did some small adjustments. And I was there at the factory in person with both the lens and the camera. You might considering trying to do some focus bracketing as well, as I have a feeling that sometimes the issue is curvature of field...that the center is in good focus, but the edges are not because of a curvature of field issue. This would also explain how it is sometimes better than other times.

    Also, I have not really found any problems shooting the lens at 30mm to 60mm...it just seems to be more of a problem at the longer focal lengths
    I've had a chance to shoot a few more frames and I agree it works better at 30-50.. from 70-90 the edge performance suffers..

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    Re: Hasselblad 100 on S2

    Ok. Not sure this really helps the discussion, but it's 90mm (or damn close) @ƒ11. Obviously not infinity focus. Crops around 100%.

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