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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    If you happen to have a well behaved DF then it really does shoot just fine once you get the hang of it.
    AF is if a bit vague and I have had my body tuned up ay mac. After that tune up, it has been humming along just fine.
    What would make me happy is more AF points like one up around eye lever shooting a full length and portrait 9 would do nicely, one with options for the weird bracket which did noting good, is just funky.
    Speed would be good too, but that would need more horsepower in the motor I guess.
    I really need to see some details to figure this out.
    As for reliability I can think of a few things that could be better like:
    focus motor run-away
    locking up with the shutter open.

    At least with the DF they fixed the rubber coming off the grip issue that I had with the AFD
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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Obviously I need one in-hand so that I might report a real user experience
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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Camera wows aside, I'm more disappointed we didn't get Capture One 7 announced today with some cool new features and a big performance boost to the speed of drawing in adjustment layers.
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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    ....

    At least with the DF they fixed the rubber coming off the grip issue that I had with the AFD
    -bob
    You had that problem too? Nothing scarier than the rubber coming off....

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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    Camera wows aside, I'm more disappointed we didn't get Capture One 7 announced today with some cool new features and a big performance boost to the speed of drawing in adjustment layers.
    Patience Grasshopper. I wish I could say more but I cannot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Patience Grasshopper. I wish I could say more but I cannot.
    You just did!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Patience Grasshopper. I wish I could say more but I cannot.
    Now that would make me happy!

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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Just a quick question:
    is the DF + (does that stand for dumbfounded?) USB 3 compatible?


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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Did any see if on the DF+, there is a way to disable the internal shutter when using a leaf shutter lens. This has always been a problem with the current DF in that you have to fire both shutters.

    Paul

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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    Now that would make me happy!
    Need to pay attention to postings: Post 881

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Need to pay attention to postings: Post 881

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/nikon/...photos-18.html

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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    More coming. LOL How about skin tones

    Okay no more hints.
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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by kipling View Post
    Just a quick question:
    is the DF + (does that stand for dumbfounded?) USB 3 compatible?
    USB3 is provided by the back, not the body.

    When USB3 is enabled on the IQ and Credo it will work regardless of what body (DF+, DF, H4X, Contax, RZ, Tech Cam, View Cam, Pinhole Cam, Aerial body etc etc). Phase is now saying before end of year - we'll see.
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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    Now that would make me happy!
    There will be no news about C1v7 at kina.

    Lack of news at Kina is not the same as saying something isn't in the works. Everyone who knows anything is very excited.
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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    USB3 is provided by the back, not the body.

    When USB3 is enabled on the IQ and Credo it will work regardless of what body (DF+, DF, H4X, Contax, RZ, Tech Cam, View Cam, Pinhole Cam, Aerial body etc etc). Phase is now saying before end of year - we'll see.
    I know Doug, I was just joking around.
    Anyway, thanks for reminding me what the extra whole in my IQ back is for, I've been using it as a cigarette holder for so long now, I forgot what it was.
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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    There will be no news about C1v7 at kina.

    Lack of news at Kina is not the same as saying something isn't in the works. Everyone who knows anything is very excited.
    I am very excited but I KNOW NOTHING

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    USB3 is provided by the back, not the body.

    When USB3 is enabled on the IQ and Credo it will work regardless of what body (DF+, DF, H4X, Contax, RZ, Tech Cam, View Cam, Pinhole Cam, Aerial body etc etc). Phase is now saying before end of year - we'll see.
    Doug - you've missed out a word between "of", and "year".

    Hopefully, it's "this" and not "next"
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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul2660 View Post
    Did any see if on the DF+, there is a way to disable the internal shutter when using a leaf shutter lens. This has always been a problem with the current DF in that you have to fire both shutters.

    Paul
    That would be appreciated.
    Much better to have a snick than a KER_CHUNK-snick-KAFLOP-BAM
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    Quote Originally Posted by kipling View Post
    thanks for reminding me what the extra whole in my IQ back is for, .
    I thought it was some sort of new type of pencil sharpener.
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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    If true it sounds so much better "The new format Hasselblad will CSC, rounded shapes ... A kind of luxury NEX" If done right it could be a killer product. (If they get the price right)

    And back to phase, I am REALLY surprised there is no C1v7 at kina :@

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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    The current eyecup no longer falls out since it now locks on.
    Replacements for the older style have been available for awhile.
    Question on the AF adjustments.
    Is that a global adjustment or is it lens dependent?
    It would be NICEST if it were both a global offset as well as a per lens offset which would be summed.
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    So if you have two backs, two bodies, and five lenses you can make sure that any combination is perfectly matched. No trip to the factory

    While in five years I've only had a handful of customers send their gear in for focus calibration issues I certainly welcome this as a great step forward. It gives all the promised benefits of a closed system where the body+back are locked together in firmware while keeping all the benefits of an open system where you can use any body (new/used/borrowed/rented) with any back (new/used/borrowed/rented).

    Now I just need confirmation which lenses and backs will support this feature. That's the sort of nitty gritty I'm not sure we'll get an answer to until closer to shipping date.
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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan Stephens View Post
    I thought it was some sort of new type of pencil sharpener.
    Pencil Sharpening has not been enabled in firmware yet.
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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by gerald.d View Post
    Doug - you've missed out a word between "of", and "year".

    Hopefully, it's "this" and not "next"
    Hopefully!
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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    The user controllable focus calibration is
    - PER back
    - PER lens
    - PER body

    So if you have two backs, two bodies, and five lenses you can make sure that any combination is perfectly matched. No trip to the factory

    While in five years I've only had a handful of customers send their gear in for focus calibration issues I certainly welcome this as a great step forward. It gives all the promised benefits of a closed system where the body+back are locked together in firmware while keeping all the benefits of an open system where you can use any body (new/used/borrowed/rented) with any back (new/used/borrowed/rented).

    Now I just need confirmation which lenses and backs will support this feature. That's the sort of nitty gritty I'm not sure we'll get an answer to until closer to shipping date.
    Nice!
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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    A lot of the features of the DF+ (especially the micro-focus adjustment) sound like the kind of things that typically one might expect from a firmware upgrade.

    Any news on which, if any, might make it into a firmware upgrade for the DF? This kind of thing will be known at P1. Have they shared anything?

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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Do you really think any of these new features will come via firmware ? I would say none or do you think they would actually spoil the last tiny reasons to upgrade...

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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Christopher -

    Here's a quote from Phase One's own forums, from June this year:

    Customer: Does that mean that todays DF cameras will get obsolete as the technology progresses? That just makes Mamiya/Phase one a bad investment!! Please tell me thats not so as I love the cameras....


    Phase One: To be fair, every piece of technology will become obsolete eventually. With the DF, it was built quickly after the AF as it was clear we could not take the AF in the direction we would like, as fast as we would like. The DF was built to be much more flexible as future products are released and technology advances.

    (my emphasis)

    So yes, on that basis, I'd say a DF owner would be perfectly entitled to expect some firmware upgrades.

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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    I do understand you and I think it would be the right step, but Phase One wants 4k for this "NEW" camera.. So I think there won't be many updates for existing customers.

    Sometimes I'm not sure if Phase has everything under control on Hardware/Firmware level. (Just take a look at the LOOOOOONG overdue USB support for IQ backs ...)

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    4K makes sense though. It replaces the DF. Improves upon it. And is the same price.

    It makes sense for new customers.

    I don't imagine Phase will be expecting that many existing DF owners to upgrade. They're pretty smart people there, I'm sure.

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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    When you buy a back today at least here in the US it usually is a 4k option to get a DF and 80mm LS lens. I bet this will not change one thing with the DF+.

    Once again the prices quoted are MSRP. Suggested retail pricing, does not mean you will pay that. My car has a MSRP of 52,000k new and trust me I would not pay that from a dealer. Pricing is very variable here on several factors, location, trades, dealers, upgrades and bundles. Again I would get with a dealer if your in the market.
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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    The announcement of DF+ is outmost chocking!

    Would it not have been smarter not to have announced it and hung some very conceptual idea sketches at Kina of what is really in works (if there is something really in works...)...

    Sure would have been more honest to customers...

    Happy I ditched Mamiya

    The Hy6 Mod 2 upgrade is proper business

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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Will the new DF body allow for firmware upgrades without shipping to phase or buying the extra grip?

    Steve
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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul2660 View Post
    Did any see if on the DF+, there is a way to disable the internal shutter when using a leaf shutter lens. This has always been a problem with the current DF in that you have to fire both shutters.

    Paul
    Okay... So here's the skinny that I got on the DF+ last month at the Copenhagen pre-press event. But first you need to understand that Phase One is a relatively small company, so things do not happen as fast as they might in a larger company. The other thing you need to remember is the consumer MF digital market is small -- about 12,000 unit sales annually for ALL manufacturers combined. (By comparison, DSLR sales are something like 40 MILLION units per year.) In addition to continually developing their backs, Phase continues to improve Capture One software, and then continues to develop the new line of Schneider LS lenses, as well as continuing with body development. The investment in employee time and capital to develop an entirely new body is significant -- it's also going to be a lower priority financially when your market is as limited as this one is. With all that going on, their primary goal remains to bring their users the best software and equipment possible in the most efficient timeframes as practical -- and I give them a lot of credit for that type of loyalty to their customers, especially in today's world of planned-obsolescence from most manufacturers.
    ~~~

    So to the DF+ itself. From what I saw and heard -- and I asked a bunch of questions about it -- the new DF+ is a DF with an entirely new AF sensor that is both faster and more accurate, though apparently with the same 3 closely spaced AF points, and then electronic and mechanical internals upgraded to improve both precision in alignment and reliability against body lock-ups. They are able to prove it's the most reliable MF digital body, and though I was never exactly clear how they ascertained this there apparently is some supporting data somewhere. That's it for the DF+ folks...

    And so, the long awaited game-changing, re-designed form-factor body is still under development with no hard bring-to-market date as of yet. I will add that I STRONGLY encouraged them to move that project to a top priority, as I had just cautioned them that the limited DF+ announcement would likely not be seen as a positive one for them...
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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Phase One make great backs, and i think that P45+ its one of the best backs every made, my old 645AFDII and ZD was a good camera, but its really a old Medium format system.
    but please...CAME ON??? the same base technology Mamiya 645AF chassis with 12 years old......for 5000$.....

    I am now a Hassy user, so please don´t fire at me because i think that good brand competition its great for end customers, but just look at the picture differences...12 years technology evolution?


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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro39photo View Post
    Phase One make great backs, and i think that P45+ its one of the best backs every made, my old 645AFDII and ZD was a good camera, but its really a old Medium format system.
    but please...CAME ON??? the same base technology Mamiya 645AF chassis with 12 years old......for 5000$.....

    I am now a Hassy user, so please don´t fire at me because i think that good brand competition its great for end customers, but just look at the picture differences...12 years technology evolution?

    OMG my old D100 and my D800 look about the same too.
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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Jack - Phase claim a "complete overhaul of all moving parts... "

    Any idea what they did to completely overhaul the shutter?

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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by gerald.d View Post
    Jack - Phase claim a "complete overhaul of all moving parts... "

    Any idea what they did to completely overhaul the shutter?
    All I got was what I stated above -- electronic and mechanical internals upgraded to improve both precision in alignment and reliability against body lock-ups
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    Hmm. Stefan of course sources the Mamiya shutter for the HCam, as do Alpa now for the FPS. Will be interesting to hear from them as to how the spec of the shutter has changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerald.d View Post
    Hmm. Stefan of course sources the Mamiya shutter for the HCam, as do Alpa now for the FPS. Will be interesting to hear from them as to how the spec of the shutter has changed.
    The shutter in the DF was given a major overhaul to make it more robust/reliable and dealer replaceable so a complete redesign again seems unlikely.

    The ability to switch it off when using LS lenses should have been made priority but no mention in the press release so hoping they just forgot to mention it. The sad thing is this is obviously where the firmware fixes/features for the DF stop just like with the AF before.

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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    OMG my old D100 and my D800 look about the same too.
    -bob
    I understand your point Bob, but your D800 have the same viewfinder, the same 1.5x crop, the same 3 points AF, the same shutter lag, etc of the old d100?

    But ok i understand, and don´t want to start a war about our tools...its to sentimental, feel the same sometimes - The DMF segment are small companys with small R&D houses compared with big brands like Canon or Nikon.

    My afraid its that the game changers like the d800 can really stole a large amount of DMF sales of the Hassy/Phase/Leaf and in the future the size of sensor and the large MP count aren´t what count to new buyers...and this its bad for the future of DMF users and brands.

    Lets go just make good pictures, and forget about the tools...

    Sorry my bad English
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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    The S3 announcement was a yawner, more tweaking so I guess this is the year of the tweaker. Next: Pentax what do you have?

    Im getting grouchy . LOL
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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    BUT NO ONE NEVER EVER TOLD TO PHASEONE TO CHANGE THE DESING OF THE CAMERA? It is really old and looks like chip,very chip.
    We are leaving in 2012-2013 and MF camera cost sooooooooooo expensive for what they are.

    2012-2013 and phase one still having just a single phocus point? And please do not put a rechargable battery as an improvement!!!!! We are in 2012 and i have my house full of AA batteries because my phaseone 645df is as old as my grandfathers camera but with a more ugly desing. At least hasselblad has the true focus and works....or power the camera with just one battery....or a very nice desing....etc,etc
    Also the prices of MF lenses. 4000€¡!!!!¡ Each lens?
    With this prices you can buy a new canon 5d mark 3 with a very nice lens on each time you buy a MF lens OHHHHH MY GOOOOOD
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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro39photo View Post
    I understand your point Bob, but your D800 have the same viewfinder, the same 1.5x crop, the same 3 points AF, the same shutter lag, etc of the old d100?

    But ok i understand, and don´t want to start a war about our tools...its to sentimental, feel the same sometimes - The DMF segment are small companys with small R&D houses compared with big brands like Canon or Nikon.

    My afraid its that the game changers like the d800 can really stole a large amount of DMF sales of the Hassy/Phase/Leaf and in the future the size of sensor and the large MP count aren´t what count to new buyers...and this its bad for the future of DMF users and brands.

    Lets go just make good pictures, and forget about the tools...

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    I've been in Jackson WY for several months now and occasionally will shoot wildlife. I used the DF/P65+ along with a Mamiya 300 last winter to shoot everything from a mountain goat to buffalo, elk and antelope. Sorry no bear. I found the DF wasn't as fast as the Canon 1DsIII clicking away besides me however I knew and accepted that at the start; then again the files sizes were much different as well.

    I found shooting the DF was light-years ahead of what it used to be when I gave it up and went solely with the WRS. I also have no illusions that any medium format will ever be a match to the shooting speed of a 35mm however the improved AF and speed looks interesting.
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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by nenes View Post
    BUT NO ONE NEVER EVER TOLD TO PHASEONE TO CHANGE THE DESING OF THE CAMERA? It is really old and looks like chip,very chip.
    We are leaving in 2012-2013 and MF camera cost sooooooooooo expensive for what they are.

    2012-2013 and phase one still having just a single phocus point? And please do not put a rechargable battery as an improvement!!!!! We are in 2012 and i have my house full of AA batteries because my phaseone 645df is as old as my grandfathers camera but with a more ugly desing. At least hasselblad has the true focus and works....or power the camera with just one battery....or a very nice desing....etc,etc
    Also the prices of MF lenses. 4000€¡!!!!¡ Each lens?
    With this prices you can buy a new canon 5d mark 3 with a very nice lens on each time you buy a MF lens OHHHHH MY GOOOOOD
    Admittedly I ditched Mamiya last year, but at least the now old 28mm and 300 APO looked sexy and like professional camera lenses.

    The new 28 and 240 look ehhh like back to something toyish...

    Comparing to Hassy H & V and Rolleiflex Schneiders there is difference...

    Dont shoot me!

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    I found shooting the DF was light-years ahead of what it used to be when I gave it up and went solely with the WRS. I also have no illusions that any medium format will ever be a match to the shooting speed of a 35mm however the improved AF and speed looks interesting.[/QUOTE]

    FOR THE PRICE OF A MF SYSTEM ....they should focus and shoot as fast as any 35mm on the market.

    Just the body without the focus and even without the sensor cost more that the best digital 35 mm camera on the market , but....we have to be happy because we do not have to use AA batteries !THEY INVENTED THE LITHIUM BATTERIES!!!!!!
    For me it is very hard to trust about the focus improvement ,
    I think it will be better to do not make and update of the camera ,
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    Lets see the good perspective of this 2012 photokina with no revolutionary products, but just evolutions...

    The reflection that i make for next 2 years in DMF:

    No brands introducing really revolutionary's produts, and with the world economical sinking i thing this not attract many users of the previous models to spend losts of $$$K in small upgrade to the new generation of H5D or DF+...

    Last week i spoke with one seller of a photo camera shop in my country and he just tell me that the d800 and nikon lens sales this year was the really life saving for many camera shops...with more than 60 ( d800) bodys in waiting lists, plus the lens sales associated with this...

    ITS REALLY VERY IMPORTANT TO EVERYONE EVOLVE IN THIS INDUSTRY, THAT SOMETIMES A REVOLUTIONARY PRODUCT EMERGES !

    I saw that with the 5D mark II full HD movies in large sensor for 2.800$ (Indie movie market revolution) the D800, with the quality of the sensor and the MP count revolution in 35mm, with the H system hasselblad was the first truly Digital MF design ...etc

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    HASSELBLAD AT LEAST CHANGE THE DESING OF THE CAMERA!!!!
    MAMIYA has never been a camera to follow,(not in desing ,not in technology,not in lenses) until phaseone backs came out and hasselblad closed their sistem...IF MAMIYA WILL HAVE A HASSELBLAD 503 cw DESING i will be happy to keep going with it (same desing)and better technology but it is not the case

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    nenes loving it. It just all so sad...

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    Re: Phase One Photokinia Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by gerald.d View Post
    Hmm. Stefan of course sources the Mamiya shutter for the HCam, as do Alpa now for the FPS. Will be interesting to hear from them as to how the spec of the shutter has changed.
    I can only say the very best about the actual DF shutter. We did not have one single broken shutter since we sell the Camera. I personally have now done timelapse tests with my demo, where we captured rows fo 500-800 shots, some of them at minus 10 degrees.

    No Problem. The shutter is stable that much can I say !

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