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I originally had the 43xl, then when Alpa came out with the 17 ts adapter I purchased the 40hr and sold the 43xl so I could tilt on the Alpa. I had both lenses fo a while and liked them both. It was a while ago, but from what I remember the 40hr was slightly sharper. If I could have tilted with the 43 I would have kept it because it is smaller. There was not a dramatic difference. You can also shift the 40hr about 5mm further than the 43xl.I have and like the Schneider 43 APO-Digitar for my rm3di; it’s small and has good coverage, however it doesn’t get much love around here at all. Has anyone that ended up with the much more popular Rodie 40 HR compared it against the Schneider 43? I would love to try the 40 but it’s a lot of money to plunk down just to see what I’m missing!
could you also add the new TS-Es?We've also recently revamped our Lens Visualizer tools to allow wider FOV, a more useful picture, and the image circles for the Canon TS lenses.
Interesting about your shift comments... on my RM3Di I can’t hit the edge of the image circle on the 43xl with either 48x36mm or 44x33mm sensors with +/-15mm of shift. The DT lens visualizer also shows that the 43XL has a larger image circle. Was your shift limit for the 43XL based on illumination, or IQ/lens cast?I originally had the 43xl, then when Alpa came out with the 17 ts adapter I purchased the 40hr and sold the 43xl so I could tilt on the Alpa. I had both lenses fo a while and liked them both. It was a while ago, but from what I remember the 40hr was slightly sharper. If I could have tilted with the 43 I would have kept it because it is smaller. There was not a dramatic difference. You can also shift the 40hr about 5mm further than the 43xl.
Keep in mind the 40 is really a 42mm (41.85), so it is about the equivalent of a 27mm in 135 "FF" format.
Dave
The lenses listed are the new TSE versions.could you also add the new TS-Es?
You should review the notes at the bottom of the visualizer regarding Schneider vs Rodenstock image circles.Interesting about your shift comments... on my RM3Di I can’t hit the edge of the image circle on the 43xl with either 48x36mm or 44x33mm sensors with +/-15mm of shift. The DT lens visualizer also shows that the 43XL has a larger image circle. Was your shift limit for the 43XL based on illumination, or IQ/lens cast?
And thanks for helping cool my desire to acquire the 40HR!
The 43 won’t accept tilt? Is this a mechl issue, or a lens issue?I originally had the 43xl, then when Alpa came out with the 17 ts adapter I purchased the 40hr and sold the 43xl so I could tilt on the Alpa. I had both lenses fo a while and liked them both. It was a while ago, but from what I remember the 40hr was slightly sharper. If I could have tilted with the 43 I would have kept it because it is smaller. There was not a dramatic difference. You can also shift the 40hr about 5mm further than the 43xl.
Keep in mind the 40 is really a 42mm (41.85), so it is about the equivalent of a 27mm in 135 "FF" format.
Dave
It was based on the 54x40 IQ180 comparison I did, lens cast limited. I would have to go back and find the images, but from memory I could shift the 43xl 10-12mm before the LCC would desaturate the colors, depending on the subject. Note that was not the new improved LCC process in C1 v10+.Interesting about your shift comments... on my RM3Di I can’t hit the edge of the image circle on the 43xl with either 48x36mm or 44x33mm sensors with +/-15mm of shift. The DT lens visualizer also shows that the 43XL has a larger image circle. Was your shift limit for the 43XL based on illumination, or IQ/lens cast?
And thanks for helping cool my desire to acquire the 40HR!
Geoff,The 43 won’t accept tilt? Is this a mechl issue, or a lens issue?
Thanks,
Geoff
Yes, I'm aware of the differences of how Rodenstock and Schneider classify their circles, and that Schneider is less conservative, however the specified image circle of the 43XL should theoretically allow for ~12mm more of shift compared to the 40HR. Since Dave mentioned the 40HR had 5mm more shift than the 43XL, I was surprised as I seriously doubt Schneider is that (~17mm) lax with their specs!You should review the notes at the bottom of the visualizer regarding Schneider vs Rodenstock image circles.
Thanks, that makes a lot of sense.It was based on the 54x40 IQ180 comparison I did, lens cast limited. I would have to go back and find the images, but from memory I could shift the 43xl 10-12mm before the LCC would desaturate the colors, depending on the subject. Note that was not the new improved LCC process in C1 v10+.
It was based on the 54x40 IQ180 comparison I did, lens cast limited. I would have to go back and find the images, but from memory I could shift the 43xl 10-12mm before the LCC would desaturate the colors, depending on the subject. Note that was not the new improved LCC process in C1 v10+.
Geoff,
It is an Alpa issue. The mount on the 43xl is too short to work as a "short-barrel" and fit with their 17mm TS adapter. The widest Schneider lens you can tilt with on the Alpa is the 60xl because of their symmetrical design. With Rodenstock you can tilt down to 32mm.
Dave
Thanks for the clarification. Good to know.It is an Alpa issue. The mount on the 43xl is too short to work as a "short-barrel" and fit with their 17mm TS adapter. The widest Schneider lens you can tilt with on the Alpa is the 60xl because of their symmetrical design. With Rodenstock you can tilt down to 32mm.