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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Remember i did all these shots handheld and D800 was not "set up" the way i like so i'm sure you could get much of this nice camera with more time and practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Brittenson View Post
    That 14-24 stadium shot really shows off the dynamic range. That's midday sun, sunlit clouds, AND stadium shadow. Nothing looks blocked or murky. I do notice you don't quite get the grass texture in the crop... could be the lens, or it's just at the AA filter limit.
    Jan,

    I think it is the lens that need micro focus adjustments. LV would help in this case.
    I was not expecting that much DR with the D800. I don't remember do anything with highlights and blacks with this shot (neutral - 2012 Process LR4)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    about 24" wide at 300 dpi (7360x4912 pixels)
    Uwe - Have just got back to the thread. Thanks for answering my question about 'native' print resolution.

    I'd still like to hear about the focus assist effectiveness with manual focus lenses though.

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    Damn I'm a really sick person. I think I'm going for the 24 1.4 and sell the 14-24. I'll list it in B&S. I may regret this but I need the speed in the Nikon kit.
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    > I think I'm going for the 24 1.4 and sell the 14-24. I'll list it in B&S.

    I king of understand but would keep the 14-24mm if you like the range. Why does the speed make that much difference for you?
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    For event work mostly and a lot of staging things. In 35 I'm a speed freak with glass. I know I am sick in the head. Also the 24 has great F2 look to it for the creative stuff. Now if I had 1 kit the Nikon I would probably keep the zoom but having the tech cam I have a effective 19mm lens that will do all the wide high quality images. With 2 kits I can blend them a little. this is a tough call since we know from images already how nice the 14-24 is on the D800. I have some technically great images from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    For event work mostly and a lot of staging things. In 35 I'm a speed freak with glass. I know I am sick in the head. Also the 24 has great F2 look to it for the creative stuff. Now if I had 1 kit the Nikon I would probably keep the zoom but having the tech cam I have a effective 19mm lens that will do all the wide high quality images. With 2 kits I can blend them a little. this is a tough call since we know from images already how nice the 14-24 is on the D800. I have some technically great images from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Damn I'm a really sick person. I think I'm going for the 24 1.4 and sell the 14-24. I'll list it in B&S. I may regret this but I need the speed in the Nikon kit.
    Guy, you'll love the 24 f1.4 - I have a (very good) copy of it, and it's an amazing lens, FAST which is great especially for event work and if you don't need the zoom. Great drawing, if a bit soft on corners (it's one of those lenses where you might need to look around for a good copy, it seems) and - did I mention it's FAST!?!?
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    Practically the only reason I still shoot with a Nikon D3 vs only the M9 is the 14-24. It's a one of a kind lens and can't be replicated. I have the 24 1.4 and while it's also a great lens there's no getting around having that amazing rectilinear 14mm to work when things get tight. I won't ever sell it.

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    Thanks for the links to the test shots, Jérôme

    Strange thing is I get tiff files when I download them

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    booze and bikes


    one for Gary

    while waiting at the airport, contemplating buying a Jack Daniels to win a Harley to carry my camera ...

    couldn't really make it sound convincing though


    Link to the RAW file

    80A_0475_85mm_G_iso100_14bit.NEF


    click for native sized jpeg (8.2 Mb)


    Nikon D800 • AF-S Nikkor 1.4/85mm G • 14 bit 1/125 sec. at f/2.8 ISO 100 • Lightroom 4

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    Steen, thanks for the raw. Your images have a certain something. Nice composition and clarity on top.

    Tripod at the airport?

    There is quite a bit CA in this shot. LR4 does not seem to fix this. What did you do about it? Or does it just not show in hte small web image.
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    Re: booze and bikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Steen View Post
    one for Gary
    while waiting at the airport, contemplating buying a Jack Daniels to win a Harley to carry my camera ...
    Nice! I'm more of a BMW/Ducati/Honda guy (I've never really had the urge to buy a HD), but I appreciate two and four wheeled vehicles of all types. Especially Godfrey's yellow MB. :-)

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    I agree with you, Gary, I have never been a Harley fan myself.

    I have had a couple of Nimbus machines, old (very old) danish motorbikes, plus a couple of Honda and Yamaha bikes.

    I just found the Harley tempting while waiting for a plane, or maybe it was the Jack Daniels bottles. Purely artistic of course

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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post

    Steen, thanks for the raw. Your images have a certain something. Nice composition and clarity on top.

    Tripod at the airport?

    There is quite a bit CA in this shot. LR4 does not seem to fix this. What did you do about it? Or does it just not show in hte small web image.

    Thanks Uwe

    No tripod on this one, I'm soo proud I (nearly) succeeded handholding it at a shutter speed of only 1½ times the focal length

    I have never had a fast 85mm that did not show quite a bit CA in specular highlights in e.g. chrome.

    Actually this AF-S 85mm G is the best I have ever had with regards to this, while e.g. my Carl Zeiss 85mm ZF is quite a bit worse.

    I just live with it and I didn't do anything to remove it, and you are right it is just not so visible in the small web image.

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    >I just live with it and I didn't do anything to remove it,

    Would do the same but see you more to be perfectionist :-).
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    Whoa, I'll have to show that one to my wife

    Actually I usually do very little in post partly because I'm not all that knowledgeable with regards to post processing and partly because I'm not a fan of overprocessed images.

    But thank you for your kind remark, Uwe, I guess now that at least I may after all be doing something right ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Here the sun is out but still pretty diffused.

    14mm


    35mm
    Nice Marina Guy where is it located? (Oops...nice photo too)

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    San Digo Mission bay area
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    Thanks Guy for starting this thread and all that contributed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steen View Post
    Thanks for the links to the test shots, Jérôme

    Strange thing is I get tiff files when I download them
    I tried a link and it works ok for me!??

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    Thanks for the links to the test shots, Jérôme

    Strange thing is I get tiff files when I download them
    Try to rename them to NEF.
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    Yes, the renaming works without any problems, Uwe.

    I just wonder why the files are renamed to the TIFF extension when I download them, but it's not a problem.

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    >I just wonder why the files are renamed to the TIFF extension when I download them .

    This is an interaction between Server and client (your browser). Which one are you using.

    It is only a problem with non standard file types. The best way is to pout the files as ZIP on the server. Any browser understands this.
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    It did"t happened to me. Came as NEF.
    I downloaded the 24PC with down shift and did not like the quality of that lens. I was thinking of buying it as I shoot architectural, but this is the second file that I try, other one from a fellow architectural photographer shooting with the D3X with all the possible care. Compare to the Canon is lame. ACH

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    >Compare to the Canon is lame.

    You mean the 24mm second generation, right. The old one was not so great.
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    Exactly. As soon as the version II came out I bought it and is really good. Pity that Nikon didn't make it with that one.
    For my new set up I'm still working out what I'm going to get in that range.. thinking Zeiss 21mm and correcting manually or shooting straight and cropping. Still not decided.
    If you have any suggestions they'd be wellcome. ACH

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    I just ordered the Nikon 24 1.4 yesterday will get it this week. Keep ya posted on results
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    Guy did you sell the 14-24, any thoughts on trying the Zeiss 21mm?

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    Yes the 14-24 is sold and I certainly gave thoughts to the 21mm Zeiss for sure a little wide for PR stuff. Here are my thoughts on this. I need a AF wide for the PR stuff so the 24 and 35 1.4 Nikons are the answer on that. Now for landscape shooting its another different bowl of wax here. If intended to do only landscape than i would buy either a Zeiss 15mm and 25mm F2 or a Zeiss 21 but I have a tech cam with a screaming 28mm on it that is a effective 19mm in 35mm world. Now lets talk about if i had the money and or not the tech cam here comes a interesting scenario . I would have 2 Nikon kits check this thinking.

    Landscape Nikon kit D800E version and have all Zeiss manual focus glass , who cares your on a tripod anyway.

    Now second kit Nikon wedding/Pr/Event/Fashion/Portraits and whatever kit

    D800 and a host of Nikon AF fast glass and / or zooms

    Now that is if I did not have a MF tech cam standing by. Heck you have a whole host of options here but if the 24mm works out I may just get a Zeiss 18mm manual focus just for the hell of it. LOL

    Now say I was not a Pro and was not shooting for clients and a hobby like many of you all. Than I maybe inclined to have a combination here Zeiss 15 and 25 or 21mm than you could mix and match some Zeiss in here like the 100mm which is outstanding but have a couple fast Nikors in here like a 35 1.4 and or 50 1.4 or the 28mm 1.4 that is a screamer for street type work than a 70-200 for the long stuff. You have a lot of options here depending of what type of shooter you are or your interest but I would certainly be looking at some Zeiss glass folks for sure if I did not care about AF needs. No question
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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    The 24-70 not rated great at 24 or better I should say.
    I`m learning a lot with all your comments. I`m fell to have found this forum.


    Guy,
    I`m learning a lot with all your comments, and some of them have showed me so interesting data and websites. I`m feel lucky to have found this forum. Thank`s.
    The wide lens for the new d800e is still a big issue for me. I´m going to buy the 24-70, I´ve read very good reviews about its performance with the new d800, and I need to cover the mid-range with the good zoom.
    I also need a very good wide lens for big architecture and landscapes prints. I know there some lens better than 24-70 at 24. The 14-24, 16—35, Zeis 21 2.8, could be better options, but is the 24-70 good enough for those big prints?
    If not, is the 16-35 at 24, good enough?
    Money issue is not a minor issue after the d800e, the 24-70, new memory, an extra battery, etc., so I need to take an efficient decision.

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    Guy thanks, I'll be interested to see what that 24 1.4 can do.
    I was reading in Digilogs, that the Zeiss 21mm has a difficult distortion, strong wave-type distortion: first barrel distortion (bowing outwards), then reversing to pincushion distortion (bowing inwards).
    So this makes me think on the 24 1.4 as well. ACH

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Damn I'm a really sick person. I think I'm going for the 24 1.4 and sell the 14-24. I'll list it in B&S. I may regret this but I need the speed in the Nikon kit.
    I owned the 14-24 twice and while it is a great lens I found myself using it very rarely as opposed to primes. So I fully understand what drives you

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    On my D700 (which is my only Nikon body left) if I use 24mm I choose most of the times the 24/1.4 (I also own the 14-24 and the 24PCE).
    The 14-24 I find a bit big and heavy, the 24PCE I like the rendering a lot but the 24/1.4 handles best and then you have wide angle shallow DOF if you want it.

    However, having used 21 and 24mm back and forth on the M9 I have to say that for me 21mm focal length works better. 24mm often feels like something in between. No real ultra wide, but also not the natural character like a 28 or 35mm fov.
    Specially with the high resolution of the D800 I would probably avoid manual focus lenses, except I was planning to shoot mainly static subjects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antonio Chagin View Post
    Guy thanks, I'll be interested to see what that 24 1.4 can do.
    I was reading in Digilogs, that the Zeiss 21mm has a difficult distortion, strong wave-type distortion: first barrel distortion (bowing outwards), then reversing to pincushion distortion (bowing inwards).
    So this makes me think on the 24 1.4 as well. ACH
    I owned this lens many moons ago and it is stellar but it has a nasty distortion to it that takes you out of normal programs to correct so it's not a simple check box in ACR to fix so it takes extra care.

    The 24 on the other hand has a little more distortion than the 14-24 at 24 but again a easy fix with a check box in ACR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    I owned the 14-24 twice and while it is a great lens I found myself using it very rarely as opposed to primes. So I fully understand what drives you
    Yes anything that does not get used gets the boot out of my cabinet. Nothing bugs me more than not using something. I like that lens but I'm afraid it will sit
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    Yes anything that does not get used gets the boot out of my cabinet. Nothing bugs me more than not using something. I like that lens but I'm afraid it will sit
    The wide lens for the new d800e is still a big issue for me. I´m going to buy the 24-70, I´ve read very good reviews about its performance with the new d800, and I need to cover the mid-range with the good zoom.
    I also need a very good wide lens for big architecture and landscapes prints. I know there some lens better than 24-70 at 24. The 14-24, 16—35, Zeis 21 2.8, could be better options, but is the 24-70 good enough for those big prints?
    If not, is the 16-35 at 24, good enough?
    Money issue is not a minor issue after the d800e, the 24-70, new memory, an extra battery, etc., so I need to take an efficient decision.

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    Think I will be heading to Toronto (3 hour drive) in a couple days to return the 500mm VR I have on loan from Nikon and will head to Vistek and give the Zeiss a try.
    Last edited by Dan Bellyk; 16th April 2012 at 18:10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustavo View Post
    The wide lens for the new d800e is still a big issue for me. I´m going to buy the 24-70, I´ve read very good reviews about its performance with the new d800, and I need to cover the mid-range with the good zoom.
    I also need a very good wide lens for big architecture and landscapes prints. I know there some lens better than 24-70 at 24. The 14-24, 16—35, Zeis 21 2.8, could be better options, but is the 24-70 good enough for those big prints?
    If not, is the 16-35 at 24, good enough?
    Money issue is not a minor issue after the d800e, the 24-70, new memory, an extra battery, etc., so I need to take an efficient decision.
    I read only great reviews about the 16-35 VR, so this is a fix starter for WA zoom for me. I am sure any prime will top it at 24, but the differences are not significant enough to justify carrying more lenses for this reason.

    Total different thing is when I need 1.4 in any of the WA's. For this I will get a 1.4/24G as soon as I recover from the major system shift to Nikon and D800E

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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    I read only great reviews about the 16-35 VR, so this is a fix starter for WA zoom for me. I am sure any prime will top it at 24, but the differences are not significant enough to justify carrying more lenses for this reason.

    Total different thing is when I need 1.4 in any of the WA's. For this I will get a 1.4/24G as soon as I recover from the major system shift to Nikon and D800E
    thank you very much. I appreciate your opinion.
    Gustavo.

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    photozone.de was not too excited about the 16-35mm VR:

    Nikkor AF-S 16-35mm f/4 G ED VR (FX) - Review / Test Report - Analysis
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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    My involvement with lens testing is pretty minimal. I tend to be loyal to the lenses I own and rarely find defects so horrible I can't live with them. I do tend to buy "pro" grade lenses though, so perhaps that explains some of my blissful ignorance.

    In the wide zoom category I have a 17-35-2.8 and really love it. Yet I rarely see it mentioned. It is more likely that the 16-35 gets all the attention. To be honest, I can't remember now what made me decide on the 17-35, but my fuzzy memory thinks it might be because when all was said and done, it was at least as good as the 16-35 and faster.

    Can anyone tell me why there's no love for the 17-35?

    Thanks!
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    Hi Tim,

    There is love for the Nikon 17-35mm f2.8, but in general, it's weak at 17-20mm wide open across the frame and edges and corners at these focal lengths is still week until at least f4.5-f5.6. In addition, when compared to both the 14-24mm f2.8 and 16-35mm f4 VR lenses, it's contrast is moderate which gives images a bit of a flat look. With that said, it is an excellent performing lens for the most part with relatively low distortion and certainly capable of pro results on D700/D3s bodies. I haven't seen much on controlled testing of this lens on the D800 yet, but I would presume, those soft sides/corners might become even more of an issue with this new body.

    As for the 16-35mm f4 VR lens, it too like the Nikon 24-120 f4 Vr, is not a favorite of mine. The issue is the extreme distortion at 16-20mm and which for certain types of subjects and shooting is not correctable in a practical sense. For other uses and subjects where distortion is correctable, the sharpness of this lens is commendable for the most part, although I have seen some edge/corner softness.

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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

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    photozone.de was not too excited about the 16-35mm VR:

    Nikkor AF-S 16-35mm f/4 G ED VR (FX) - Review / Test Report - Analysis
    Thank you Uwe, I appreciate your help.
    I´ve just read it and they are not too excited about this lens.
    KenRockwell seems to be happier with its results: "This said, for most of us reading this, this 16-35mm is the sharpest and best-handling ultrawide zoom ever made. Get the 17-55mm f/2.8 if you need solid metal or f/2.8, otherwise, I'm going to grab this 16-35mm long before I'd use the heavier 17-35mm again." (Nikon 16-35mm f/4 VR Review)
    lensrentals rated over the 14-24 (LensRentals.com - D800 Lens Selection). Yes I know.
    DxoMark gave it five stars for landscapes, when it´s mounted in the 3x (DxOMark - Nikon AF-S Nikkor 16-35mm f/4G ED VR)
    Anyway, I´m not so sure.
    I live in Argentina, it´s impossible to think in probing a new lens o rent, so I won´t be able to probe them, that´s the reason I appreciate so much all your impressions and help.

    Regards.

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    I´ve just read the photozone review of the 16-35 lens and they are not too excited.
    KenRockwell seems to be happier with its performance: "This said, for most of us reading this, this 16-35mm is the sharpest and best-handling ultrawide zoom ever made. Get the 17-55mm f/2.8 if you need solid metal or f/2.8, otherwise, I'm going to grab this 16-35mm long before I'd use the heavier 17-35mm again." (Nikon 16-35mm f/4 VR Review)
    lensrentals rated over the 14-24 (LensRentals.com - D800 Lens Selection). Yes I know.
    DxoMark gave it five stars for landscapes, when it´s mounted in the 3x (DxOMark - Nikon AF-S Nikkor 16-35mm f/4G ED VR)
    also, I´m not so sure.

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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    It's kind of a tough call the distortion is horrible at 16 mm and cleans up at 20 but the 35mm setting is not rated well so in effect you get a 21 to let's say 32 mm zoom. Hmmm that's not what you bought. Not saying its bad but sounds limiting.

    Now I know as I said earlier you can clean up the 16mm distortion but this is so severe you have to be degrading the image pretty hard. I little fix okay but this much involved makes me think too much.
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    Thanks Guy I appreciate your opinion. I think I can believe with the distortion at 16-20 and 35. I think I don´t need the extra aperture for landscapes and architecture. I don´t know if there is any other really sharp and good 20/24 (zoom or prime) lens for this money.
    14-24, 24 1.4, Zeiss 21 and 24 PC are more expensive than the 16-35. If it is sharp enough from corner to corner at 20/24 range is good for me.
    The 24 pc and its extra DOF could make me think a little more. I´ve recently seen a wonderful interior picture with this lens at this forum.
    Do you know if the 24 pc is as sharp as the other mentioned?
    Regards.
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    I think in the range your looking at and costs it sounds like it will work for what your after. This really is a good lens from all accounts it's the extreme ends of it but if you work within its good range you should be just fine.
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    Re: Nikon D800 First Blush

    thank´s again. 16-35 and 24-70, two of three, now the (short) tele (prime/zoom). maybe tomorrow, to late for me now.
    regards.

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