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    Nikkor 58mm f1.4 - 1st hands on views

    Just saw this on the B&H website:

    First Look: Nikon AF-S 58mm f/1.4G | BH inDepth

    I'm tempted to get a copy.
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    I have mine but haven't had time to run it through its paces yet... Maybe this weekend. It needed a -15 AF adjustment though, but that's pretty much how far I've gotten with it so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Brittenson View Post
    I have mine but haven't had time to run it through its paces yet... Maybe this weekend. It needed a -15 AF adjustment though, but that's pretty much how far I've gotten with it so far.

    -15 on which camera? Thanks.
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    I received my first day order for the lens as well. Hopefully tomorrow I will get my turn to shoot my 8 month old grandson .

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    I want a full report Roger. LOL

    Seriously its on my radar
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    Re: Nikkor 58mm f1.4 - 1st hands on views

    Mine has arrived.
    Hopefully I will get to wring it out over the weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    -15 on which camera? Thanks.
    On a D800E.
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    Look forward to seeing the results gents!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan ROX View Post
    and crops !
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    but anyway i will probably wait for sigma to make a 50 fully compatible with their USB dock !
    the 35 rocks !
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    Re: Nikkor 58mm f1.4 - 1st hands on views

    I thought it was made clear above…


    WE WANT PICS!


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    Hey guys, its simple - buy me the lens - and I'll post some....
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    Re: Nikkor 58mm f1.4 - 1st hands on views

    So I've been perusing the web and so far this is my (humble) impression of the images I've seen from this lens, albeit based only on viewing the various web images posted. So while not definitive, I do have an impression forming and it is -- not hugely positive compared to the 50/1.4G and 50/1.2 AIS manual. Let me explain further…

    First, what I see in the 58 is nice far bokeh at f1.4; slightly busy front bokeh wide open at f1.4, and not overly crisp resolution on any plane at f1.4. Wide open, I think overall it renders a little better than the 50/1.4G (not nearly 4x the cost better though) but not even in the same ballpark as the 50/1.2 AIS. The latter being sharper in the central focus plane while having similar bokeh, and of course f1.2 appears to render enough of a thinner DoF than the 58 at f1.4 that I find it a more desirable overall look wide open.

    Next, at f2, 2.8 and 4, it appears to render about the like the 50/1.4G, and in fact the 50/1.4G may have better contrast by f4 which also generates the impression of more crispness stopped down. In the f2 - f2.8 range I'd call it a wash between the 50/1.4G and the new 58. From f4 up, I prefer the 50/1.4G from both the wider focal and overall image rendering characteristics of the two lenses. Still, the 50/1.2 manual blows them both away from f2 up being both sharper and crisper with balanced contrast and pleasant bokeh. In a nutshell, I see this new 58 giving a smooth but otherwise unremarkable rendering of images.

    I'll need hands on testing to confirm those above impressions, and I welcome any images that prove these impressions wrong -- in fact, I WANT To be shown examples that prove me wrong! So take this for what it is, only an initial impression -- but an impression that leaves me not having seen anything as of yet that makes me want this lens...

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    Completely agree with you Jack. All the samples I seen so far do not come close to the 50 f1.2, at all. And at f2 ... the 50f1.2 is the sharpest thing I ever owned (in the same ball park than the Zeiss 50 macro).
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    Re: Nikkor 58mm f1.4 - 1st hands on views

    I have yet to see anything that is turning me on. I do like the separation I see but I need to test it myself. Bottom line I m not seeing 1700 dollars yet.
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    Re: Nikkor 58mm f1.4 - 1st hands on views

    Quote Originally Posted by Hulyss Bowman View Post
    And at f2 ... the 50f1.2 is the sharpest thing I ever owned (in the same ball park than the Zeiss 50 macro).
    Perhaps veering OT but I had to agree with this comment of yours too -- the 50/1.2 AIS is simply stellar at f2 and up, even on the demanding D800E. Frankly it is a relative bargain being still available new in the box for about $700 from B&H. I'd suggest anybody that likes fast glass to get one before they are gone. They are a classic and only going to increase in price.

    Here it is, USA model too: USA 50/1.2 manual focus

    And the imported version for about $50 less: Imported 50/1.2 manual focus
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    I've got to say I agree, it isn't anywhere near as impressive as the shots I've seen from the 1.2 and I was hoping it would be something special so I didn't need to buy the Zeiss 55! I think in this case, all the reports of having "character" just translates as not that good, especially for the money.

    Oh well, there's a very clean 1.2 for sale locally for £450 so may be tempted with that as it's cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Perhaps veering OT but I had to agree with this comment of yours too -- the 50/1.2 AIS is simply stellar at f2 and up, even on the demanding D800E. Frankly it is a relative bargain being still available new in the box for about $700 from B&H. I'd suggest anybody that likes fast glass to get one before they are gone. They are a classic and only going to increase in price.
    Thanks Jack. Seems like a genuine bargain.
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    Here's some typically interesting commentary by Roger Cicalia at lensrentals.com.

    Especially of note is the funky field curvature.

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    Re: Nikkor 58mm f1.4 - 1st hands on views

    THe funky field curvature would explain some of what I have been seeing in the closer focus distance examples -- I actually wondered about curvature given the way many of the images look. At any rate, I loved this final comment -- pretty telling:

    "Optically, it has excellent resolution. It’s a bit better than the 50mm f/1.4 G. I’m not saying the 58mm is overpriced; it’s about the same price as the 85mm or 35mm f/1.4G lenses. I am saying that this test makes the 50mm f/1.4 G look like quite a bargain."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    I loved this final comment:

    "Optically, it has excellent resolution. It’s a bit better than the 50mm f/1.4 G. I’m not saying the 58mm is overpriced; it’s about the same price as the 85mm or 35mm f/1.4G lenses. I am saying that this test makes the 50mm f/1.4 G look like quite a bargain."
    It sweat deception
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    Re: Nikkor 58mm f1.4 - 1st hands on views

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    THe funky field curvature would explain some of what I have been seeing in the closer focus distance examples -- I actually wondered about curvature given the way many of the images look. At any rate, I found this final comment pretty telling:

    "Optically, it has excellent resolution. It’s a bit better than the 50mm f/1.4 G. I’m not saying the 58mm is overpriced; it’s about the same price as the 85mm or 35mm f/1.4G lenses. I am saying that this test makes the 50mm f/1.4 G look like quite a bargain."
    If I am renting out lenses, I would word it carefully as well.

    That "test" on an optical bench, I am not sure it involves infinity and I would not take it very seriously.

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    My bet is that inside a year, there will be multiple copies of this lens available used at well under $1000. Seriously folks, trust me and grab a 50/1.2 while you can. Heck, I may even buy a second one to put away in the cabinet…
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    I don't have a dog in this fight yet, so to speak...but after handling one and taking some test shots I am of two minds regarding this lens. As an "art" type lens, that does especially well in low light/nightime photography, especially with point light sources and is also probably very good for closer range portraiture with it's gentle slightly soft and forgiving rendition at closer range. it definitely has some advantages (and disadvantages) when compared to the current Nikon 50mm f1.4G lens. It has "a look" for which many SLR lenses aren't noted for and depending on how it's used, it can often produce some alluring attractive images...but outisde of those I've seen, it's been far and few. Whether it's worth anywhere near it's price point, can certainly be debated.

    The Sigma 50mm f1.4 shot at f1.4 can also produce very attractive imagery and bokeh although resolution drops off precipitously away from the central part of the frame. In some ways, the new 58mm is a blending of characteristics of the Sigma 50mm f1.4 and Nikon 50mm f1.4G. Neither though is quite as good for coma free (relative) imagery of point light sources.

    Extensive comparison with the old 58mm f1.2 is inevitable, a lens I've used for quite a few years. If it's simply about sharpness, this lens fails in my opinion. How much is it worth all the other things it does well is going to be debated for quite some time.

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    You are talking about bargain, manual lens... maybe this one ? any good ?
    Voigtländer for Nikon
    Nokton 58 mm f/1,4 SL IIn



    Nokton 58 mm f/1,4 SL II pour Nikon Voigtländer

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    Quote Originally Posted by archivue View Post
    You are talking about bargain, manual lens... maybe this one ? any good ?
    Voigtländer for Nikon
    Nokton 58 mm f/1,4 SL IIn

    Nokton 58 mm f/1,4 SL II pour Nikon Voigtländer
    My only comment is that as long as you're going manual focus anyway, for a couple hundred more you can have the 50/1.2 Nikkor:

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    I lucked out and got a virtually BNIB 50/1.2 Ai-S from a gentleman over on FM. Can't wait to get the first shots back from using it with my F4 $520 shipped, full insurance and PP fees.

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    well, I just forked over the 1750€ this afternoon to pickup my copy. I have owned every MF version of the 50's and find myself nowadays too lazy to use mf on the Nikon. I like using AF. Lets see how the 58/1.4 fares. I am not so hung up anymore on absolute sharpness, I like using stuff between 50 and 85 so in many areas this might become a lens that i will grab more often. Otherwise I will sell it as soon as it is fully depreciated

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    Congrats - look forward to seeing the 1st pix on this forum……..

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    Re: Nikkor 58mm f1.4 - 1st hands on views

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    My only comment is that as long as you're going manual focus anyway, for a couple hundred more you can have the 50/1.2 Nikkor:

    The choice between the Nikkor 50/1.2 an Voigtlander 58/1.4 is a matter of taste. Personally, I prefer the softer bokeh of the Voigtlander.

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    Re: Nikkor 58mm f1.4 - 1st hands on views

    Here's a review that mostly echoes my (much less extensive) experience with it so far...

    Nikon 58mm f/1.4 lens review with sample images by dc wedding photographer Sam Hurd

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    Thanks for posting that - good to see a selection of real use images.

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    Re: Nikkor 58mm f1.4 - 1st hands on views

    I gotta be honest, so far I'm not seeing it. What I see is low contrast, not a lot of crisp sharp but very nice smooth bokeh -- all maybe pleasing for most people's skin, but not classic IMHO. I am actually reminded of the old "white softnet #1" filter effect. Moreover, what I do see is that the new 58 renders faces in a slightly more -- and definitely noticeable -- "bulbous" fashion than a typical 50. The Greenspan portrait in the above-linked Hurd article is a good example. Even in the quad of portrait examples of the woman, the 58/1.4 version seems just a tad moreso than the others. My humble .02 only...
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    Re: Nikkor 58mm f1.4 - 1st hands on views

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    I gotta be honest, so far I'm not seeing it. What I see is low contrast, not a lot of crisp sharp but very nice smooth bokeh -- all maybe pleasing for most people's skin, but not classic IMHO. I am actually reminded of the old "white softnet #1" filter effect. Moreover, what I do see is that the new 58 renders faces in a slightly more -- and definitely noticeable -- "bulbous" fashion than a typical 50. The Greenspan portrait in the above-linked Hurd article is a good example. Even in the quad of portrait examples of the woman, the 58/1.4 version seems just a tad moreso than the others. My humble .02 only...
    Greenspan looks bulbous even in person
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    Understood, but what I see I see even in the quad of the woman's portraits…
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    Here is an example taken at F1.6 1/250 ISO800 on a D800E.
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    Nice images on your website - like the Venice series a lot.

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    Neil van Niekerk posts his comments:

    http://neilvn.com/tangents/review-ni...ns/#more-18054

    I'm not convinced…..nor does he seem to be - not for the price.
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    I think he nailed it with these comments: it's not really sharp enough for portraits wide open; it's got wonderful bokeh compared to the 50/1.4; it's better than my copy of the 50/1.4G, but I can't say it's $1200 better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    I think he nailed it with these comments: it's not really sharp enough for portraits wide open; it's got wonderful bokeh compared to the 50/1.4; it's better than my copy of the 50/1.4G, but I can't say it's $1200 better.
    This depends on what the photographer plans to shoot and how he wants to allocate his equipment budget . The 58/1.4 produces a different rendering from the 50/1.4 ..which one is better depends on the subject and the aesthetic the photographer is after .

    Canon has had this option for years between the standard 50/1.4 and the 50/1.2 L . My daughter shoots events,weddings ,families,kids etc and she wouldn t give up her 50/1.2L for any lens she has . So in her case its well worth the difference . My wife shoots with the 50/1.4G on her D600 and loves it ..so she isn t looking for an expensive upgrade .

    I think a better question is does the 58/1.4G deliver a signature aesthetic that can be used to produce the photographers vision . Its different but it doesn t have the richness of my 50/1.4 summilux ....I am not sure at this point .
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    Re: Nikkor 58mm f1.4 - 1st hands on views

    I agree Roger. On the one hand if you want AF and smooth bokeh, then this new 58 is the ticket. Problem is for guys like you and me and everybody else that owns the 50/1.4G and has seen the magic signature from a 50 Lux or even the unique look form the manual 50/1.2 AIS, it becomes a tougher calculus to justify this one IMHO.

    Arguably the OUTUS at over 2x the price seems a better value to me -- at least I see a look that is more "unique" than Nikon's new 58.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Greenspan looks bulbous even in person
    I don't particularly like that shot - the DoF is too narrow and there's no background to frame the subject or give it context. The background doesn't add or create negative space. Such a shallow DoF IMO is a gimmick comparable to HDR, grunge processing, tone mapping, vignetting, etc. All of these can be useful tools when applied with subtlety, to enhance an image. But they can't really make one to begin with, at least not to my eye. Once the "effect" is visible (and they can be spotted from a mile) it takes over.

    There ARE exceptions, but this isn't one of them IMO...

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    Re: Nikkor 58mm f1.4 - 1st hands on views

    58mm Portrait on-axis

    I took this as an experiment. Looking at my test files it was clear that wide-open, the aberrations off-axis made the subject look rather soft off of the lens axis at fairly close range.
    So, I shot this with the center of the lens aimed at the eyes and cropped accordingly.
    It is not so much focus shift off-axis, it is the intentional set of off-axis aberrations that are causing the soft appearance.
    Here is a view at 100%. Probably sharp enough especially for a woman.

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    It's hard to tell if it's worth three times as much... For who, and what purpose? Being used to Leica prices I don't think it's too bad... And performance isn't too dissimilar from the pre-APO Summicron 50/2.

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    I have not had much time to extensively use the 58. Yesterday actually for the first time. Initially I was startled with the softness of the lens. After that I realized I was shooting at ISO1250 or higher which doesn't help either. After opening the files I sort of relaxed, the lens has a very nice rendering. I think this is one of those lenses you need to learn to love next to learning how to use them.

    I have attached some snaps that I needed to take yesterday (well the flowers were not necessary but they simply were around ). My daughter was taken at ISO1250/f2.0/125th, flowers at ISO1250/f1.4/125th

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    I agree Roger. On the one hand if you want AF and smooth bokeh, then this new 58 is the ticket. Problem is for guys like you and me and everybody else that owns the 50/1.4G and has seen the magic signature from a 50 Lux or even the unique look form the manual 50/1.2 AIS, it becomes a tougher calculus to justify this one IMHO.

    Arguably the OUTUS at over 2x the price seems a better value to me -- at least I see a look that is more "unique" than Nikon's new 58.
    I agree and these figure from Roger Cicala compare the Otus to the Nikon at 1.4.. the figures are for centre ,average and corner average,,

    Nikon 58mm f/1.4 700 560 480
    Zeiss 55mm f/1.4 965 810 690

    The Zeiss is a lot better,but in favour of the Nikon is weight ,AF and price,But is the 58mm much better than the 50m 1.4G at 3x the price..?these figures include the 50mm 1.4g and 58mm 1.4G..

    Zeiss 55mm f/1.4 @ 2.8 1255 1090
    Zeiss 35mm f/1.4 @ f/5.6 1105 990
    Zeiss 25mm f/2 @ f/4 1215 1015
    Nikon 58mm f/1.4 @f/5.6 1160 940
    Nikon 24mm f/1.4G @ f/5.6 1185 845
    Nikon 50mm f/.14 G @ f/5.6 1075 890
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    OT I've been saying this all along look at the Zeiss 25f2 one of the best if not the best in the 24/25 range. I need to buy that lens back. I had it and loved it.


    Okay my issue with this lens is I never would put someone's eyes dead center they will always be off center and I just don't see the performance there. That's what's bugging me about this lens . I have yet to see one shot with really sharp eyelashes wide open. I can do this at will with my Sigma 35 1.4 lens for 900 dollars I may add. It's actually almost too sharp. I want a 58mm like that. The Otus looks to have it but 4k really is not in the cards.
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    Yes, the zf2 25 is really nice. maybe I will treat myself to an Otus too but I just know I will use it differently.

    In the coming weeks I will try to use the 58 more often to see where its strenghts are. Indeed sharp eyelashes doesn't seem to be one of those at 1.4. I suspect not even at 2.0 but at the moment it is too early to say. Kind of like the voigtlander apo-lanthar. Not particularly sharp but really pleasant in rendition. I ended up selling that 125, magical colors and rendition but I could not get used to its softness compared to the sharpness of the nikon 105VR which is boringly sharp (I guess it is never perfect)

    We will see.

    BTW, I think the lens is not that much less off center. Apparently it has some weird field curvature where there is a bulb/dent in between the center and corners. This means that you can get the eye lashes sharp off center but that the field of sharpness in the center and corners will be in another plane at that moment. So this is definitely not a lens to be used for copy purposes

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