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    How Can We Help GetDPI Stay Alive

    How can we help GetDPI stay alive?

    Membership subscriptions are the obvious answer, but maybe it might take a little more. I do not think it is simply paying for hosting services, software, etc. The amount of time involved to keep any website clean in today’s arena is a lot, but even more so with a public forum.

    We are a creative bunch of people, so let’s share our ideas and hopefully in time we will have a solution.

    I will gladly pay a membership fee and contribute extra cash immediately if needed. I would also support different levels of membership that still supports advertisers, similar to what APUG/photrio does.

    How about you?
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    Re: How Can We Help GetDPI Stay Alive

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    How can we help GetDPI stay alive?

    I will gladly pay a membership fee and contribute extra cash immediately if needed. I would also support different levels of membership that still supports advertisers, similar to what APUG/photrio does.

    How about you?
    Count me in too Darr, both for a membership fee and extra cash now.

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    I will copy the post from the Fun with MF images thread:

    I am aware of the cost structure for hosting a website (with a database connected), which is generally very reasonable. So if it's just about covering that, it won't be a very big issue I assume. If it's expected that the page contributes to something else (salaries, profit, ...), that's a different story. Since the content comes from all community members, I wouldn't be too much into contributing to the latter.

    To sum up: I wouldn't be up for paying a regular membership fee (only if there is transparency why it's needed), but if there is something like a one-time donation for bridging this special situation, I might be up for that.
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    Re: How Can We Help GetDPI Stay Alive

    I would contribute as well .

    Maybe a partnership with another forum ?

    Jack and Bob have carried us for a long time ..my guess is we need someone that has the time and energy to keep it going .
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    Count me in as this is the most helpful and civil photo site in existence.

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    Count me in too! I'm open to a myriad of suggestions and solutions in order to facilitate the possibility of keeping this site going. As Joel and others have expressed, Getdpi is and has been the most helpful and civil photo site.

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    GETDPI must stay alive . So please count me in as well .
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    How about using Patreon as a mode of subscriber support? At least as a bridge.

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    Re: How Can We Help GetDPI Stay Alive

    Running GetDpi is a thankless job ...lots of work for little payback . Those that could be successful ...would see it as a bottomless pit .

    The difficult part is getting someone to replace Jack and Bobs role ..then convincing Jack and Bob to help with a transition .

    You could start a GoFundIt account and get enough to offset the lost revenue until 2021 ..but that is not the problem that needs to be solved .
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    Re: How Can We Help GetDPI Stay Alive

    I just sent a PM to Jack offering an immediate cash contribution to demonstrate my support for GetDPI. I think it would be good if others did the same. A groundswell of signifcant and tangible financial support now could give us time for a longer term solution, including finding people to provide the important load of personal support that Jack and Bob now carry, if they want to pass on that responsibility.

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    Re: How Can We Help GetDPI Stay Alive

    Does anyone have an idea of how much cash needs to be raised per month? I would love to help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post
    Does anyone have an idea of how much cash needs to be raised per month? I would love to help!

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    Good question Matt.

    I am hoping after most members voice their support, Jack and Bob can provide us an answer to your question and/or what they feel will be a solution.
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    Re: How Can We Help GetDPI Stay Alive

    I wouldn’t mind contributing or having a membership tiered system provided it’s a “reasonable” cost. I do generally enjoy this forum and it’s been the one I’ve most consistently been apart of across the last 10+ years. I’d assume that PHP hosting can be done for a reasonable cost when you consider how many of the regulars would likely contribute but I also feel like putting content behind a required or restrictive “pay wall” might also kill the site due to there being other “free” community options.

    In any case I hope the site does not shut down but if it does then I hope to see members in other communities as well.
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    Re: How Can We Help GetDPI Stay Alive

    I very much would like the site to stay. I think going a "donation" route is more practical than a "payed membership" route. I will gladly donate a reasonable sum to keep the site going and collectively fill the gap that's left by the sponsors who had to pull out. So we need an idea how much in total we're talking about and if it's reasonable to expect to cover this amount by voluntary donations.

    Question is do "we" only keep the forum or also the photo hosting utility. I think the latter generates some income but also uses a much larger chunk of server space and bandwidth (and therefore running cost) and there are other hosting sites available (payed and free) that users here can link their photo's from.

    But maybe the first question to ask is if Jack and Bob (and Guy) are willing to stay on if the financial gap can be closed or if this crisis is just a trigger to execute a thought that existed in their minds for a longer time.
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    Re: How Can We Help GetDPI Stay Alive

    I think that Jack and I would be willing to hang on as moderators and occasional contributors.
    Jack has his business to run. I am retired and now the president of a trap and skeet club, so we both have things to do.
    First off it is NOT all about the money. What would please us greatly is if we found a few folks who could take over the technical portions of maintaining the site and administering it.

    What does that mean?
    Someone who has a reasonable working knowledge of PHP and SQL, a bit of html, and even more importantly vBulletin.
    We host the site on a shared server and use cloudflare as a caching front-end and occasional filter for those times when we are the recipient of a denial of service attack which usually comes from china, although once has come from Ukraine.

    We all have useful lives, and at one point I was pretty darn useful, but those days are running out bit by bit.

    So if a few of you would like to band together and take it over, let's talk.
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    Re: How Can We Help GetDPI Stay Alive

    As a soon to be retired volume accountant (not a REAL accountant, as my wife often says) for BP, I will have lots of free time, but I certainly don't have the knowledge or skills you mentioned Bob. So the best I can do is offer my whole hearted financial support.
    I hope there are others here with the knowledge and time to take on these important technical support roles.

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    Re: How Can We Help GetDPI Stay Alive

    I would be happy to help in any way possible here.

    Whether it be monetary or in tasks i am skilled to help with.

    This community is...well it's a community and we all give and take from it and would benefit from it staying in our lives.
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    Re: How Can We Help GetDPI Stay Alive

    I would be happy to help. Like Gary, I don't have the technical skills, but I am willing to learn. I mean, how hard can it be...(famous last words?) Certainly, I think it is worth a conversation with Jack and Bob and others that are interested in keeping GetDPI going.

    I do want to say, it has been a pleasure being here. Whatever the outcome, I am very grateful for what Jack, Bob, and Guy built and the community that formed around this site.
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    I have experience with php, html, designing, building and maintaining Wordpress sites for over a decade. I was familiar with vBulletin’s backend many years ago so I know enough about it to say I do not know enough anymore. If the Front Page of this site was built on Wordpress, I can get it running and maintained which I believe has been down for sometime. I can be part of a team that works the backend.
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    Uncle Bob and Uncle Jack,
    Anyway to shoot email message to all registered members for atleast onetime contribution?
    And we will make future plans then on.
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    I’m willing to contribute what I can to keep things going
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    I would be heartbroken to see GetDPI go and would be happy to make a no strings attached donation if that can buy some time for Jack and Bob to decide whether there's a way to pass the torch or sunset the site. I'm not sure how long they're willing to hang in for, but if they let people know how much $$ would be needed to keep the lights on say, through the end of the year, that could be used as a target for a Gofundme campaign.

    I'm sure I'm not alone wondering what local businesses and organizations will be around when we're finally released from COVID lockup. If there's a way for those of us who have benefited from Jack and Bob's (and Guy's) hard work all these years to take this off their hands and keep the community going, that would be one silver lining of this very dark cloud.

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    Re: How Can We Help GetDPI Stay Alive

    This is the only site I regularly visit and would miss it dearly. I have no technical skills, but I would certainly be willing to contribute in whatever way I can.
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    Subscriptions for now, which can phase out once the advertisers come back.

    We likely need more information on how many members there are and how much each subscription might run.

    Good luck!

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    Bob -

    Thanks for weighing in, and for all that you and Jack (and Guy) have done to sustain this site.

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    First off it is NOT all about the money. What would please us greatly is if we found a few folks who could take over the technical portions of maintaining the site and administering it.

    What does that mean?
    Someone who has a reasonable working knowledge of PHP and SQL, a bit of html, and even more importantly vBulletin.
    Over at the Large Format Photography Forum, we have one moderator who specializes in looking after server and vBulletin "under the hood" issues, as well as one person not otherwise involved in the Forum who donates our hosting and very occasionally needs to be involved in solving server-side issues.

    Happily, we don't need to call on these folks often, but when it's needed, it's really needed, and often urgently.

    vBulletin is complicated, creaky and somewhat obscurely documented, but if one is not afraid of complex software it's not that hard to learn enough about its controls to be able to manage routine Forum business as a moderator. A bit of familiarity with html helps but is not strictly necessary. It's really the server and vBulletin installation and "database hygiene" issues that require specialized expertise, and that will be the most difficult piece of the puzzle to find on a volunteer basis. So I think the most important task right now would be networking up a storm to see if such a person or people can be found.
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    Re: How Can We Help GetDPI Stay Alive

    Quote Originally Posted by iiiNelson View Post
    .....but I also feel like putting content behind a required or restrictive “pay wall” might also kill the site due to there being other “free” community options.
    I agree. I would prefer to have access open to all with a request (but not a requirement) to financially support the forum via membership and perhaps recognition for those who contribute at higher levels as "sustaining members". Many of the organizations, forums etc that I participate in, am a member of and contribute to have this type of arrangement.

    I know we all want to do this in such a way that the open and engaging character of the GetDPI community is not diminished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsjanik View Post
    This is the only site I regularly visit and would miss it dearly. I have no technical skills, but I would certainly be willing to contribute in whatever way I can.
    Exactly my feelings as well. I would be open to subscription or other means of financial support also.
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    At this moment,we have 7980 registered members, if we all (or most of us)paid lets say 10 pounds to help this valueable photo treasury running and pay for Uncle Jack and Uncle Bob.
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    I'm so in on the financial support side. This forum is a gem in many ways...unique, I'd say.
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    Well that's pretty sad to hear, now more than ever it is apparent how much we all need community, this site has been a highlight for many years for me.

    It's clear from Bob's post above that it's far less about financial constraints than it is about the effort needed to keep the site running, it needs fresh people with the skills and time required. I have zero IT skills, no idea what the acronyms even mean! I have little to offer besides time if it's required but I'd be happy to offer that if there was something I could do.

    Ultimately, as Bob says, we need people with the required IT skills to maintain and support the site, without those then I'm afraid this excellent resource will fade. I appreciate all the effort that has gone in to building it what it is now, from the backend to all the members who provide the content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjr View Post
    Well that's pretty sad to hear, now more than ever it is apparent how much we all need community, this site has been a highlight for many years for me.

    It's clear from Bob's post above that it's far less about financial constraints than it is about the effort needed to keep the site running, it needs fresh people with the skills and time required. I have zero IT skills, no idea what the acronyms even mean! I have little to offer besides time if it's required but I'd be happy to offer that if there was something I could do.

    Ultimately, as Bob says, we need people with the required IT skills to maintain and support the site, without those then I'm afraid this excellent resource will fade. I appreciate all the effort that has gone in to building it what it is now, from the backend to all the members who provide the content.

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    What I would suggest is that the people with the right IT skills (not me unfortunately) and the drive, time and energy to keep the site going contact Jack/Bob and discuss if continueing the site with their additional effort is a possibility and if yes join the team to do so.

    In case after that there is a need for people's "non-technical time" (e.g. help with moderation or administartion within the forum application) or money come back here and seek that support from the members. But without one or two people with the right skills stepping up to the plate quickly I think we will have to accept the site closing on June 1.

    It will be a sad day for many if the site closes, but let's also not forget to thank Guy, Jack, Bob and maybe others for running this site for many years and provide us all with so much fun and also thank a lot of members for posting inspiring photo's and providing helpful technical advice.

    All good things come to an end and I hope the end of GetDPI is still far off, but if it ends let's not forget it was a very, very good thing.
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    Re: How Can We Help GetDPI Stay Alive

    I am a proponent of the open source concept, which is why I provide instruction and workshops free of charge. I also used open source software to build my website and I use open source software for spreadsheets, documents, etc.

    Therefore, I am willing to support the next iteration of this forum in whatever manner that I am able.

    I get the sense that the idea is to focus on medium format. I am not familiar with the other fora, however, medium format is a congenial place, with a few obvious exceptions.
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    Other photo forums aren't folding due to C-19, so maybe owners simply want out - whatever, I thank them deeply for keeping it going for so long - I couldn't have done it, so I take my hat off to you all. For anyone taking up the reins ... maybe it can be hosted for free some place (with the caveat that there will be a ton of ads). Alternatively a subscription model, with donations, crowdfunding etc could work in the short term so that old farts like me can continue to enjoy the site, and I'll happily contribute to GetDPI to keep it going. But this isn't a long term answer, especially since GetDPI has little original content beyond the members' posts. In 2020, if you didn't already know GetDPI, would you pay to join ... a forum? Its USP over other similar sites used to be medium format. If you owned a MF kit, it was the #1 place to get info; if you didn't it was a great place to lust after gear. Sadly, but understandably, that focus has waned over the years. That said, these are difficult times in general - even PhotoPXL, with all the resources Kevin Raber can throw at it, looks like its flat-lined in terms of members, and Luminous-Landscape - with its 'dollar a month' subscription model, was devoid of advertisers long before C-19 appeared. Once it had them all, so it would appear that MR's son isn't quite the businessman MR was, and his decision to take the site in the direction of 'photography as art' rather than MR's tried and trusted 'gear, exotic gear, and even more exotic gear' seems to have backfired somewhat. Though to be fair, it was MR who introduced the subscription model, so even that formula was probably due for an overhaul. Still works for DPReview mind you, but then of course that site's now owned by Amazon. Now there's an idea ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dj may View Post
    I get the sense that the idea is to focus on medium format.
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    I think there's plenty activity and very good photos in several "FF" fora, film forum, Fuji forum and M4/3 forum to expand the scope to beyond medium format only.
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    Re: How Can We Help GetDPI Stay Alive

    I'm away for a few days and disaster strikes - my worst on line photo nightmare!

    The site is too important and valuable to close.

    I haven't got the words to thank Bob and Jack enough for keeping this wonderful place alive and fully understand that they have run out of energy/time in such bad times.

    Perhaps a longer term solution is for the back end stuff to be outsourced to a company.

    As for the money side I'm sure there would be enough members willing to band together and cover the costs.

    Count me in for financial support - and I would be happy to help keep the site going into the future.

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    I'm in for a reasonable amount of money per year, while it will be a hard life without getdpi...so it, the shut down, must..please...not happen
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    Re: How Can We Help GetDPI Stay Alive

    Agree with all of the comments above. It is obvious we have a passionate group of volunteers here, including me

    So, who is going to step up and take the lead on a "Plan to Save GetDPI"?
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    Let me say a few words while I still have the opportunity to.

    I am a very "junior" member here in terms of posting activities, but nonetheless I learned a tremendous lot from all other active members over the years. Words cannot express my dismay when I learned of GetDPI's impending closing. As mentioned by others this is a most civilized photo forum on the internet and it fostered a real sense of community, unlike some other forums where bashing and arrogant behavior is the daily norm, including their individual moderators.

    Thank you Bob, Jack, Guy, and others involved with this forum. Thank you members for sharing your artistic talent and knowledge. Let's hope someone with the proper skill steps up to take over the helm and keep this community alive.
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    As Bob said, it isn't just about money, though more could solve it. The site costs are not that significant — about $2000 to $2500 annually to host and maintain. The real issue is the background labor and attention required on a daily basis -- and Bob and I are tired of doing it gratis. It requires somebody(s) with forum software prowess to approve and vet new members and approve posts daily from new members until they hit 10 or so -- which is how we keep spammers to a minimum, and yet you see the ones that still make it through even with that. Then it requires somebody with web skills to manage all the site software updates and patches, and then manage malware or hack attacks that can come almost any time day or night. In short, it takes somebody being on deck pretty much 24-7. So that’s the real issue for us: we're tired of doing it and there simply isn’t enough money to outsource those tech parts…

    We would be totally open to handing it over to a consortium of folks that want to take all of that on to keep GetDPI alive. We've had a few basic offers to take it over, but they would move the site to a subscription/ad model or merge it with their own existing site -- in the hopes of getting all of our members active on their forum, so they can reap the ad and subscription revenue. In short, it would become all the things we never wanted the site to be...

    We love the members -- you've made GetDPI truly a unique community. But we don't see a clear path for us to gracefully depart and keep the flavor the same...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    As Bob said, it isn't just about money, though more could solve it. The site costs are not that significant — about $2000 to $2500 annually to host and maintain. The real issue is the background labor and attention required on a daily basis -- and Bob and I are tired of doing it gratis. It requires somebody(s) with forum software prowess to approve and vet new members and approve posts daily from new members until they hit 10 or so -- which is how we keep spammers to a minimum, and yet you see the ones that still make it through even with that. Then it requires somebody with web skills to manage all the site software updates and patches, and then manage malware or hack attacks that can come almost any time day or night. In short, it takes somebody being on deck pretty much 24-7. So that’s the real issue for us: we're tired of doing it and there simply isn’t enough money to outsource those tech parts…

    We would be totally open to handing it over to a consortium of folks that want to take all of that on to keep GetDPI alive. We've had a few basic offers to take it over, but they would move the site to a subscription/ad model or merge it with their own existing site -- in the hopes of getting all of our members active on their forum, so they can reap the ad and subscription revenue. In short, it would become all the things we never wanted the site to be...

    We love the members -- you've made GetDPI truly a unique community. But we don't see a clear path for us to gracefully depart and keep the flavor the same...
    Jack/Bob/Guy Thank you for supporting the forum for as long as you have . You have made it clear what is required for the forum to continue .
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    This is the attitude that has made this site successful. It seems to have been a labor of love. Turning it over to someone who will see it as a monetizing opportunity will kill the spirit, in my opinion. Of course the expenses must be paid. I would volunteer to pick up some load to the extent that I am able. Who else will volunteer?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    As Bob said, it isn't just about money, though more could solve it. The site costs are not that significant — about $2000 to $2500 annually to host and maintain. The real issue is the background labor and attention required on a daily basis -- and Bob and I are tired of doing it gratis. It requires somebody(s) with forum software prowess to approve and vet new members and approve posts daily from new members until they hit 10 or so -- which is how we keep spammers to a minimum, and yet you see the ones that still make it through even with that. Then it requires somebody with web skills to manage all the site software updates and patches, and then manage malware or hack attacks that can come almost any time day or night. In short, it takes somebody being on deck pretty much 24-7. So that’s the real issue for us: we're tired of doing it and there simply isn’t enough money to outsource those tech parts…

    We would be totally open to handing it over to a consortium of folks that want to take all of that on to keep GetDPI alive. We've had a few basic offers to take it over, but they would move the site to a subscription/ad model or merge it with their own existing site -- in the hopes of getting all of our members active on their forum, so they can reap the ad and subscription revenue. In short, it would become all the things we never wanted the site to be...

    We love the members -- you've made GetDPI truly a unique community. But we don't see a clear path for us to gracefully depart and keep the flavor the same...
    Best regards,
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    You know Dante supports and appreciates all efforts to preserve the GetDPI family, whether standalone or moved elsewhere.

    Even though Dante lives in the hearts of most of you here at GetDPI, I need a home.

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    The good news is we have a timeline--June 1.

    If we can organize a group of people to start taking over the tasks Jack and Bob are performing now and learn how to run more technical aspects of keeping the site going, we should be able to keep GetDPI running (or figure out if we can get enough volunteers to efficiently run the site).

    While I don't have the technical skills now, I have learnt to code and do other things to run IT. I just need to learn. (And you would expect in a photography forum that loves gear and technology, I would not be an outlier).

    We just need to organize and use the time to get up to speed.

    I am in! Who else?
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    I have few IT skills but I'll gladly contribute cash - either now or in the long term.
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    I have few IT skills but I'll gladly contribute cash - either now or in the long term.
    The same here.
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    I am ready to contribute any amount of donatiıon to keep this wonderful community under Getdpi forums.
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    I've never been one to support pay sites and this would be no exception.
    As Ben Franklin said “Beware of little expenses; a small leak will sink a great ship”

    I think it's more about being a social gathering place than providing much useful content

    I understand why people are upset, no one wants anything to change. But life is change so get over it !

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    I am happy to help, but I don't the technical skills or the time to learn right now If it were a different time in my life I would've already started trying to learn....

    Not sure how else I could help or contribute other than donations to help with hosting fees.

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    As I wrote on another thread:

    This is very sad news

    When I started researching MFD back in the day GetDPI became my forum of choice. Great bunch of members and dealer participants as well. So much knowledge stored here that you simply can't find anywhere else. It's a photographic knowledge goldmine!

    I would gladly pay a considerably amount monthly or yearly fee to keep this site running no doubt about that! Count me in!


    Sadly I do not have the tech skills to contribute on that side. I really hope we together can find a solution to keep this valuable site running!
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    There must be another forum that could benefit from sharing the hosting costs ? Contract service approach . Separate forums with shared infrastructure costs .
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