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    Fun with Panasonic GH3

    My camera is coming in so I like to start this thread to share fun images with the GH3.

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    Looking forward to seeing images and reading impressions about the camera!

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    Re: Fun with Panasonic GH3

    I tried it yesterday. It feels bigger and heavier than expected, and some of the changes to the ergonomics are not to my liking, particularly the "Canon style" wheel on the back.
    But: It feels extremely solid and well balanced, at least as good as the Nikon D7000 in that respect and miles ahead of the GH1/2. Over all a very positive experience.

    I won't be buying one soon, since I purchased more or less unused GH1 and GH2 last week (in addition to the GH1 I already had) for around a third of what 2 GH3 bodies would have cost me (I'm going more or less all m4/3 for work now, so I need 3 bodies), but it's an open question how long I can withstand the temptation.

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    Re: Fun with Panasonic GH3

    I'll be interested to see one of these too. I've had problems inadvertently hitting buttons on my GH2, especially the WB and ISO, so I'm hoping the placement of these buttons on the top of the GH3 will be an improvement for me. I'd like a GH body that was a little bigger than the GH2 and better built as well....so this could be just the ticket for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    I'm going more or less all m4/3 for work now, so I need 3 bodies
    I would be interested in hearing how you are making use of three bodies. Are you dedicating them to individual lenses or purposes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimGoshorn View Post
    I would be interested in hearing how you are making use of three bodies. Are you dedicating them to individual lenses or purposes?
    Yes, for events and motor sports in particular. 7-14 and 14-45mm on the 2 GH1s. 100-300mm on the GH2 since AF is more demanding with that lens. I'm also carrying a portrait lens, currently a Zeiss 85/1.4, soon to be replaced by a Zuiko 75/1.8. I even consider buying an E-PL5 and equip it with the new Zuiko 17/1.8 for stealthy environmental portraits. That camera/lens combo is so small that it goes into a pocket in my pants or vest.

    With sport events, motor sports in particular, but also on other occasions, there's simply no time to change lenses, and important shots may be missed if I don't have all options available.

    With the Nikon gear, I've carried 2 bodies and had a backup in the car, but since the 3 Panasonic bodies with lenses weigh less than the D2Xs with 80-200 AF-S, I can afford the luxury of carrying all three bodies in a medium sized belt pack.

    Another application for 3 bodies is when I do video. Now, I can have 2 bodies fixed on tripods while I use the last one handheld, mixing them together in Premiere. Particularly useful for industrial video where seeing a process from different angles is often of utmost importance.

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    here is the first shot straight from camera JPG.
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    For me the ergonomics of the GH2 are just about perfect. I can hit all the buttons and handle the camera with confidence in most situations. If I were to change anything from my own personal intuition I would fatten the grip hump some, enlarge the 4-way control buttons, and weather-proof the system. Functionally I would widen the view of the EVF, improve the diopter lens quality, increase the strength of the flash, offer between 12 and 20FPS in continuous drive (with a buffer large and fast enough to accommodate), vastly improve the in-camera JPeg conversion engine, and add an internal intervalometer.

    The GH3 as well as the OM-D address many of those issues so I'm definitely looking forward to owning one (or both?) of them. Of course I'll have to wait till they come down significantly in price. The OM-D is already starting its downward spiral in retail terms so maybe I'll get that one first.



    BTW, if those images above are 100% crops then I'm fairly (but not completely) impressed. If those are full image scales then I'm completely disappointed.

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    Re: Fun with Panasonic GH3

    This seem to be the story of the mirrorless cams (from any brand). Early buyers pay significantly more.

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    I've been shooting with mine for several days and shot a couple of indoor sports events with the 35-100 f/2.8 lens.

    It is a very impressive camera. The best ergonomics of any micro 4/3's camera to date. Even with the add on battery grip my OMD is not as good in this department.

    The video is superb. Nothing close. For any function where I want video or a combination of video and stills the GH3 will be very hard to beat. It blows away my D4 and handily beats my OMD as well. For very casual video the OMD IBIS does provide amazing stabilization though.

    After getting my OMD, I sold my M9. Now, after getting my GH3, I am not selling my D4 but it has been further marginalized.

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    Re: Fun with Panasonic GH3

    Very interesting report, Bill, and thank you. I'm stocking up on m4/3 gear now. The 100-300 and GH3 are next on the list. My plan was also to replace my Nikon bodies with a D600, but I'm not sure what I'd use it for. Maybe better to buy some more good lenses for m4/3.

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    The more I play with this GH3, the more I love the camera. One of the many features I like from this camera is the electronic shutter which is great for long tele lens. I will try out some of my long tele lens tomorrow.

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    Is it true that the lowest ISO setting on the GH3 is 200? That's the info I'm getting from online reviews. I'm puzzled as to why such an advanced camera as this does not have a 100 ISO setting. It's going to be a serious challenge trying to slow down your shutter speeds or shoot wide open without ND filters. Other than that, I'm really impressed with the specs on this camera.

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    It has an advanced ISO 125, if it helps
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    That one reviewer used the GH2 made it more credible. I know there is a difference in sized with DSLRs, but wow. That is why I like my m4/3 so much.

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    I think the main difference is actually that you hardly can use these HDSLRs without a rig. You need an extra EVF. Also doing handheld fast work is a problem. Always preferred the GH2 over any HDSLR for handling.

    If you use full rigs all things change of course.
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    Using Wi-Fi today to my iPhone.
    This is another 50mm lens.
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    >Using Wi-Fi today to my iPhone.

    Does it work peer to peer without any other network involved? Would you mind to describe the steps (saves me reading the manual :-)).
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    Re: Fun with Panasonic GH3

    Well a bit off topic, but thought I would share this as it is kind of an interesting finding after the few past years:

    I used to be one of the first adopters of the GH2 and while I was not doing much video, I always liked the GH2 concept and also the OOC IQ for photos. Finally sold it as I went into other camera adventures.

    Recently I viewed a number of photos I had shot with the GH2 in Aperture and I was blown away! I was not able to get that look some 2 years ago using LR and I had not tried Aperture at this time.

    I assume that the IQ from the GH3 is even better than the IQ from the GH2, especially when using higher ISO. Also the body design looks much more pro-like, as I am used ( and maybe also many others) from conventional DSLRs, but still much smaller and lighter. Adding to that the new X-lenses from Pana this seems to become a winning combination.

    Also I recently started to use more video on my DSLR (D800E) and while the handling is not bad I could see the big advantages from the GH3 as I was really missing the option to take high res photos during video, which Nikon does not allow in a really useable way (and I assume Canon is similar).

    So while getting more and more attracted by hybrid shooting I might definitely get a GH3 in addition to my OMD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Yeah, pretty interesting. If they were talking about the GH2 vs. D800 I would comment:

    They WAY over stated the general accuracy of AF all together and WAY under stated the difference between AF on the GH and the D800.

    But of course they were talking about the GH3 vs the D800 and they said the GH3 was "30% to 40% better AF than the GH2" so then I guess I have to accept that.

    I've found that the general accuracy (and often speed) on consumer grade Canikon as well as mirrorless cameras is totally lacking! I prove this to myself over and over by Using AF on any of the systems and then using the MF assist (live-view zooming) to check the focus. 4 out 5 times on both the GH2 and GH1 as well as all of the Canikons I've tried, the AF is inaccurate. This is not even considering the times where the AF couldn't find my subject AT ALL because of the BG or FG (or both). The Canon 1D systems (not consumer grade models) for example don't suffer so and the inverse is true: 4 out of 5 times the AF nails it - again not counting the times where AF will just always fail.



    The ending was kinda interesting too:

    "Have you taken a look at Nikon's mirrorless camera?"
    "No, I haven't."
    "Don't! It'll ruin your opinion of Nikon."

    hehehehe....

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    >The ending was kinda interesting too:
    "Have you taken a look at Nikon's mirrorless camera?"
    "No, I haven't."
    "Don't! It'll ruin your opinion of Nikon."

    I did not like this part because the Nikon V1 is not bad at all for a 1" sensor camera. EVF is very good and the AF is fast.
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    No network is needed. The camera and the iPhone/iPad will work directly. Before you start make sure you do step 1.

    Step 1: Download Lumix Link application to your iPad/iPhone.

    Step 2: Choose Wi-Fi under Setup (see image later).

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    Got the answer:

    https://vimeo.com/54820785
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    Step 3: Select Wi-Fi function.

    Step 4: Select New Connection

    Step 5: Select Send Images While Recording

    Step 6: Select Smartphone

    Step 7: Select Direct

    Step 8: Select Manual Connection

    Step 9: On your iPhone choose Settings

    Step 10: On your iPhone select Wi-Fi and turn it on and select the Panasonic GH3 Wi-Fi name.

    Step 11: Enter the password that was given to you in step 8.

    Step 12: Back to your GH3 screen and Select iPhone as the device to connect

    Step 13: Turn on the Lumix Link application on your iPhone after the connection

    Step 14: Shoot your camera and the data will be transfer or downloaded to your iPhone.

    This was simple to setup. I did not read the manual yet. I will describe more in TheCameraForum.com

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    Ok shooting via Wi-Fi again with the old FD lens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tesselator View Post
    I've found that the general accuracy (and often speed) on consumer grade Canikon as well as mirrorless cameras is totally lacking! I prove this to myself over and over by Using AF on any of the systems and then using the MF assist (live-view zooming) to check the focus. 4 out 5 times on both the GH2 and GH1 the AF is inaccurate.
    there is something wrong w/ you, because neither my GH3 (which I got last Friday) nor my GH2 (since Jan 2011) were not missing AF at all... do you try to focus on a featureless piece of blank white paper ? a totally clear blue sky ? and no I do not check using MF - I am checking the raw files afterwards... I can only suggest that switching to MF somehow moves the focus from where it was correctly set by CDAF...

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    It's usually very slight, but it's there. It's the difference one can often only see by comparing the AF result with the human adjusted correction in MF. Sometimes it's bigger and can be seen in the files but this could easily be mistaken for a bit (1 pixel or so) of camera shake or just a naturally soft lens. So if you're not checking by MF you're probably just thinking that's how it's supposed to look.

    But we're asking the camera to both do the impossible by reading our minds and also go beyond it's physical limits too. It can't actually read our minds so for one example when the AF box is the size of our subject (say, a coffee mug on a table) selecting which part it should focus on (the front, the upper lip, the lower seat, the outline edge, the handle, the rear rim lip) is just random chance or maybe the part with the strongest contrast. Same with a face when not in face detection mode. It won't know if it should focus on the tip of the nose or the stray hairs from the pony-tail in back. The AF systems in the GH1 and 2 are extremely limited and can almost NEVER achieve "critical focus". This is well known by many.

    It does also sometimes get the entire shot (or mug in our previous example) wrong. This is true with the OM-D, 3 different GH2s that I've used and a countless (8 or 10) GH1s - also several of the other Olympus 4/3 models too. It's just the nature of the beast. If you never half-press plus re-half-press your shutter release button when it doesn't focus satisfactorily the first time you will get a large number of images which are out of focus - mostly only slightly but sometimes enough to be bothersome too. These count as misses even if you didn't go ahead and capture the image the first time.

    Then there are the mechanics of the DOF range which compounds the errors mentioned above. If you're shooting with a typical 4/3 zoom or any of the slower-ish primes there is a huge margin for error between where the optimal focus setting actually is and what the AF system comes up with. Any of these alone or combined may be within your own personal tolerances but it's not perfectly accurate. In my case 4 out of 5 AF attempts are outside my personal tolerance levels and noticeable to me. So much so that I usually prefer to shoot adapted mechanical manual-focus lenses.

    The way in which a DSLR usually works is different. The AF areas (points!) are smaller and MUCH more precise. On consumer grade DSLRs there are usually a lot less of these points which leaves a lot of margin for error in between them. So it is in concept and so it is in practice. Thus my distinction between consumer grade and pro bodies.

    No AF is perfect. Pro body AF can often be very good but still has faults. Consumer grade DSLR AF and 4/3 AF is problematic for all but the most casual styles or high personal tolerance levels. That the GH3 might be better than the GH2 and I would hope the OM-D as well, is good news IMO. However, I won't be expecting a perfect AF system on any camera anytime in the foreseeable future. Unfortunate but true I'm afraid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    >The ending was kinda interesting too:
    "Have you taken a look at Nikon's mirrorless camera?"
    "No, I haven't."
    "Don't! It'll ruin your opinion of Nikon."

    I did not like this part because the Nikon V1 is not bad at all for a 1" sensor camera. EVF is very good and the AF is fast.
    In my case I thought it was accurate and reflective of my own thoughts and opinions.

    When they first came out I gave them a look. After a few moments with the camera I wanted to throw it down and crunch it under foot. Nikon's design concept behind these cameras did indeed (slightly) "ruin my opinion of Nikon". I can't help it, it just did. Excusing it for it's small sensor has not been a satisfactory remedy in my case.

    Oh well, life goes on. I wonder how well those cameras are selling anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tesselator View Post
    In my case I thought it was accurate and reflective of my own thoughts and opinions.

    When they first came out I gave them a look. After a few moments with the camera I wanted to throw it down and crunch it under foot. Nikon's design concept behind these cameras did indeed (slightly) "ruin my opinion of Nikon". I can't help it, it just did. Excusing it for it's small sensor has not been a satisfactory remedy in my case.

    Oh well, life goes on. I wonder how well those cameras are selling anyway?
    The 1 series has been selling extremely badly, and Nikon has problems getting rid of them even at less than half the price which is the going rate at the moment. For the V1, I think that's purely due to the bad ergonomics. Nikon clearly didn't understand that their potential customers for that model were mostly experienced photographers, people who want easy access to control functions.

    It seems to me that Nikon has tried to address some of the shortcomings with the V2, but when we see what Panasonic is doing rather successfully with their GH1/2/3 series, Nikon would probably had much more success giving it a full DSLR user interface. Everything else about the V1/V2 seem to be rather good. Nikon's failure to handle this properly is one of the reasons why I'm now the owner of two GH1 and one GH2 bodies and no V1/V2.

    Another result is that when I'm giving myself a compact, carry-everywhere street camera for Christmas, it will be the camera to the left rather than the one to the right in this picture, even if I think the one to the right is soooo much cooler :


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    Another FD at 1.2
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    >Step 13: Turn on the Lumix Link application on your iPhone after the connection

    >Step 14: Shoot your camera and the data will be transfer or downloaded to your iPhone.

    Tried with iPhone and iPad and could not get images downloaded.

    Finally worked when I set it to Raw/JPEG
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    I kind of liked the Nikon V1 with the 30-100mm (81-270mm equivalent). Super light and small for that range and not bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    The 1 series has been selling extremely badly, and Nikon has problems getting rid of them even at less than half the price which is the going rate at the moment. For the V1, I think that's purely due to the bad ergonomics. Nikon clearly didn't understand that their potential customers for that model were mostly experienced photographers, people who want easy access to control functions.

    It seems to me that Nikon has tried to address some of the shortcomings with the V2, but when we see what Panasonic is doing rather successfully with their GH1/2/3 series, Nikon would probably had much more success giving it a full DSLR user interface. Everything else about the V1/V2 seem to be rather good. Nikon's failure to handle this properly is one of the reasons why I'm now the owner of two GH1 and one GH2 bodies and no V1/V2.

    Another result is that when I'm giving myself a compact, carry-everywhere street camera for Christmas, it will be the camera to the left rather than the one to the right in this picture, even if I think the one to the right is soooo much cooler :

    http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/4/9/olynikon.jpg
    Such a shame. I want Nikon, Canon, Olympus, and Pentax to snuff out junker companies like Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, Hitachi, and so forth. It's probably just marketing memory and mind-wash but those four "real camera companies" have been publicly doing the right thing in terms of feature implementation, warrantee support, and user support for so long it's hard not to root for them. I've actually heard otherwise about Sony but the others I've seen to be pretty heartless when it comes to those things. Although those companies have or have had a foot in the professional video arena, generally their respective histories have been steeped in low quality consumer junk. So I'm sorry to see a company like Nikon having such a tough time of it.

    Heh, they should have had me design their mirrorless, it would have been a resounding hit!
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    Heh, they should have had me design their mirrorless, it would have been to resounding hit!
    It would also cost $15,000,000
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    Neh, we could get it out for WELL under two.

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    Shot with GH3 and 12-35mm zoom. These are from Lightroom but I think that C1 gets more fine detail,







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    Have you try the Silky Raw Conversion for fine detail?

    Unfortunately Wi-Fi only works with JPG and not raw.

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    >Have you try the Silky Raw Conversion for fine detail?

    Silkypix is not really for me :-)
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    Shot today with our 30-100 f/2.8 zoom. On Nikon and Canon 70-200mm was often our favorite range and having it in such a small package is nice (though quite expensive).















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    Hey guys, so I just wanted to post some ISO samples of the GH3 with the 12-35mm f/2.8. These were taken RAW and left untouched then converted to jpeg(444).


    ISO200


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    Any suggestions on where I can find a GH3 for sale?

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    No, I just got lucky. Looks like January.
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    Any video Uwe?

    Gary I can get you one if you like but make sure to contact me as quickly as possible.

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    Uwe,

    what are your impressions of the GH3 so far?

    Compared to OMD?

    Compared to APSC and/or FF?

    Thanks

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    Video:

    http://jirvana.outbackphoto.com/x_out3/DOP3901.zip

    https://vimeo.com/55230058

    >Compared to OMD?

    Handling is better on GH3, IQ is maybe slightly better on E-M5. The main image quality gain is actually in hte 12-35mm, 35-100mm zooms.

    >Compared to APSC and/or FF?

    I would love the NEX7 if there would be zooms like the fast Pana zooms.

    In total I don't think I miss anything. GH3/GH2 are now our main kit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    Video:

    http://jirvana.outbackphoto.com/x_out3/DOP3901.zip

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    >Compared to OMD?

    Handling is better on GH3, IQ is maybe slightly better on E-M5. The main image quality gain is actually in hte 12-35mm, 35-100mm zooms.

    >Compared to APSC and/or FF?

    I would love the NEX7 if there would be zooms like the fast Pana zooms.

    In total I don't think I miss anything. GH3/GH2 are now our main kit.
    Thanks!

    Main reason I am asking is because I start thinking more and more to make m43 based on OMD and GH3 and some of the high level glass my main kit as well. It is extremely easy to handle and weight and size we all know the big advantages.

    Still missing maybe 2 or 3 new fast lenses/primes which would be on par with the new 12-35 and 35-100 to make the final switch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Thanks!

    Main reason I am asking is because I start thinking more and more to make m43 based on OMD and GH3 and some of the high level glass my main kit as well. It is extremely easy to handle and weight and size we all know the big advantages.
    The biggest budget airline around here, Air Asia, has started weighing carry-on luggage (max 7kg), since people were carrying too much to avoid the fee on checked in bags. My bag (Kata DR 467i) with clothing for three days, MBA 13", GH2 with 7-14, 14-45 and 75/1.8 plus all necessary chargers and cables went through at 7.2 kg. No DSLR kit with lenses of similar quality would have made it within the limit.
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