I don’t understand the surprise about the price. It is cheaper than the color version (M10P, 24Mp) and has a rarer sensor (few people buy monochrome)Dante has widened his coverage. Not just medium format anymore
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I don’t understand the surprise about the price. It is cheaper than the color version (M10P, 24Mp) and has a rarer sensor (few people buy monochrome)Dante has widened his coverage. Not just medium format anymore
Nice Pete, something definitely special about the 1st MM, that ccd sensor used within it's limitations produces beautiful shots.
I've read quite a few people asking for IBIS, personally I don't get it, especially with high ISO being so good and the M quite easy to handhold at much lower speeds than I can hold a normal DSLR. I'd always prefer a faster shutter and higher ISO over a super low shutter speed, but I can see that some would want it. No idea how a range finder would work and I'm not even sure that an M should be anything other than what it is technology wise but I'm clearly no expert, that technology in their other evf based cameras I totally understand. I don't shoot longer than the 75 though, so maybe it's much harder to shoot longer lenses, I have no idea.
I think it will be interesting to see the output from the new monochrome, I remember the hysteria surrounding the D800 when it was first announced, 36mp, hand held! No chance was the general chatter, it'll be a tripod camera only but that really wasn't the case at all, same really for the GFX 50s when that was announced with no IBIS, I could shoot that thing at way lower than I expected, but the high ISO was so good I'd even prefer an underexposed image over one where either I or the subject could move. In fact the only time I ever used any form of stabilisation was on a 200f2 on a D800, for some reason it was switched on to IS by accident, saw an amazing scene of a wild deer between foggy trees, swung the camera up, took a couple of shots before the IS had stabilised, totally ruined shots and the deer ran off, vowed never too use it again under any circumstance!
Anyway, nice images, I hope you get chance to try one at least and see what you think. I have delivered 90% of the images I have taken in Iraq in B&W recently, it would easily pay for itself in a single trip.
Mat
- don't understand why more manufacturers don't offer the option.
Cheers
Pete
Oh look, a cardinal! So rare to see that bird around here.Dante recommends reading this. I’ve started sticking my post-it’s on gear too
https://www.ultrasomething.com/2020/01/paradox-view-the-m10-monochrom/
This was the biggest loss to photography in the film to digital transition. Just look at the variation in film camera design in terms of camera type and format aspect ratio. We are not going to see camera like TLRs, X-Pan/TX-1 panoramic rangefinder, Bronica RF645 with a vertical frame orientation, and swing-lens panoramic cameras. The square is dead as well. I don't have to want it, but the richness of the available tools to photographers is important for the art.Great to hear there's some interest in it from people, Leica are doing something special whilst maintaining the original M ethos in my opinion. I'd love to see more manufacturers producing monochrome sensors, not because it's ever going to be super popular or even understood by many, but purely because the world is a better place for having companies push in different areas and step outside the mainstream, long may Leica continue doing things differently.
Hello RickLou, Voigtlander? Tell me it isn't so? What happened to those Summicron 50 mm APOs you owned?
17x22? Why would you need the Sony IV? You could print that "large" with a cell phone... an old cell phone.
I believe the Conductress we know would scold you for these views.
RickLeica
ps I can't wait to get my M10M and put that LHSA 50mm on it! :thumbup:
Ha!Hello Rick
Yes it's true. I will have some images to share on the Voigtlander APO 50/2.0 thread aptly named once back from a few days in Miami with another Leica Fanboy.
Did you see the FM comparisons post on p27 post #3, Leica APO 50 and Voigtlander APO 50, but on the A7R3 not the uber A7R4?
Very interesting to say the least.
Will you still talk to me?
Not in my local, M10-P sells for 7.690 euro, M10 Monochrom is 8.340 euro. The real reason why I don't understand the surprise about the price is that, well, it's a Leica. Contrarily to any other manufacturer, Leica generally increases their price with any iteration (or simply because one year went by, even if nothing has changed with the product). Only notably exception the SL, which went down in price during its lifetime, a sign - IMHO - of a serious scare Leica had with the system's ability to compete. Therefore, it was just to be expected that the M10 Monochrom would cost more than the M10-P, and way more than the previous iteration (M246).I don’t understand the surprise about the price. It is cheaper than the color version (M10P, 24Mp) and has a rarer sensor (few people buy monochrome)
RickHa!
Of course, I'll still talk to you. You are my favorite photographer and gear junkie. You always race towards the new gear fire and embrace the present. We know life is short and every new camera/lens/PP technology is not better or worse, but rather something to be explored before our time is up.
I'll go look at FM and see what you are referencing. The Voigtlander APO 50 certainly is an interesting lens.
Your friend,
Soggy Rick.
We know life is short and every new camera/lens/PP technology is not better or worse, but rather something to be explored before our time is up.
Looks like a fine piece to me, although it's not the direction I've been going with my cameras and photography. Possibly at some point in the future, but likely the future past 2020 at least.
Why would you need two or three modified Sony's in lieu of one M10M? Wouldn't one modified Sony do?No matter how satisfying that other equipment might be, it isn't at the same level as what Leica is doing. I don't need two or three modified Sony cameras to do what the M10M does out of the box, and in five years the M10M will still be worth a much greater fraction of the initial absurd price than three modified Sony cameras on resale.
Agree, you only need one and it will cost less than this camera will depreciate in value the next 4-6 years so you can throw it away and not have to deal with selling it and still come out ahead economically.Why would you need two or three modified Sony's in lieu of one M10M? Wouldn't one modified Sony do?
Just wait until I see you on Tuesday!Rick
I think you may be going too easy on Lou ...:facesmack:
Roger ...LeicaFan Boy