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Tough crowd (spoken in my best Rodney Dangerfield voice)! :ROTFL:No, the Sony is not for me.
It is not innovation for the market it is aimed at, it is crap.
-bob
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Tough crowd (spoken in my best Rodney Dangerfield voice)! :ROTFL:No, the Sony is not for me.
It is not innovation for the market it is aimed at, it is crap.
-bob
True, They addressed them, now we need to see if the package actually gets delivered.I will agree with you about your evaluation of the D4s, but I will add a nuance.
We don't know if they solve the issues, just thar they address them. In particular they continue to use the same AF module (no more cross sensors). I will say that the jury is still out in this one. But they DID address it as you say.
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J. Duncan
I have to reply to this comment. Firstly, I TOTALLY understand where you're coming from -- I don't particularly care for the Sony either, at least for the type of shooting I do. But I think it crosses a line to say it's crap. IMHO it is far from crap, at least from a technical POV to the quality of file it is capable of delivering. We -- meaning you and I -- may not like the EVF, the UI and even the diminutive form factor for our German sausage sized fingers. But while those are negative attributes for us, they may well be perceived as features by other shooters.No, the Sony is not for me.
It is not innovation for the market it is aimed at, it is crap.
I met with a group of "action and nature" photographers last night.
They are universally enthusiastic about it.
I guess if I shot birds with long lenses, or (hockey, football, basketball) games, or motocross events, or snowboard stuff I would be too.
But I don't.
But for what I do, the D800 and Df do just fine. The a7r makes my eyes bleed, gives me a headache, and is just too slow to use.
-bob
Ah, the "it" in my post was not very clear.I have to reply to this comment. Firstly, I TOTALLY understand where you're coming from -- I don't particularly care for the Sony either, at least for the type of shooting I do. But I think it crosses a line to say it's crap. IMHO it is far from crap, at least from a technical POV to the quality of file it is capable of delivering. We -- meaning you and I -- may not like the EVF, the UI and even the diminutive form factor for our German sausage sized fingers. But while those are negative attributes for us, they may well be perceived as features by other shooters.
I've only shot briefly with them myself, and saw no reason whatsoever to abandon my Nikons as many others have. But I can see where if I had some legacy M glass or specialized C brand glass I wanted to shoot with, the A7 or the A7r just might be a very viable solution to getting a good sensor behind that glass.
Just sayin
Ah. That makes senseAh, the "it" in my post was not very clear.
Crap for the market that the D4s is aimed at.
Actually it would have been really neat if it were something in the 54Mpx range with a bin-down low-res option, but there are some viciously competing design criteria.I expected a D4X at 24MP or a D5 at 36MP I guess.
IMO, not for M-mount lenses on average. But for Leica R lenses it's fantastic. That's really the only reason I bought the A7, and it's so good with these lenses I'm considering selling nearly everything else.... But I can see where if I had some legacy M glass or specialized C brand glass I wanted to shoot with, the A7 or the A7r just might be a very viable solution to getting a good sensor behind that glass. ...
Same problem as with the airshow, and I'm afraid this is not only about refresh rates, but they way the viewfinder refreshes. The movements of a puck or an airplane are fluid but may change suddenly. An electronic viewfinder never refreshes fluidly, it's the nature of digital. However fast it may be, there will always be a certain degree of "staccato", which is tiring to the eyes if one has to follow movements in the viewfinder closely hour after hour (I've used EVFs for 4 years now).One shooter, the one who complained about its jpegs, shoots hockey and finds that the viewfinder refresh rate is just not up to the task of following a puck on the ice.
-bob
:ROTFL:I'm with Bob and Jack. The pixel fixation doesn't interest me and the Nikon (regardless of emotional feelings) really hits the image quality vs resolution/gizmos in my book. I also have manly sized hands/fingers so the toy sized Sony doesn't work for me at all.
I'm biased and admit it. If I want 36mp I'll crop my 60mp digital back! :banghead:
This is my predicament too. Fast moving low light "Performing Arts" type shooting among other things like the occasional fast moving sports shots, had me thinking twice and three times about moving over to the Sony. There are a number of things to admire about the system but I keep asking myself above and beyond all else....is it the right tool for the jobs I want it to do? So far it's been more "no's" than "yes", even though for other applications it's ground breaking and often ideal.Same problem as with the airshow, and I'm afraid this is not only about refresh rates, but they way the viewfinder refreshes. The movements of a puck or an airplane are fluid but may change suddenly. An electronic viewfinder never refreshes fluidly, it's the nature of digital. However fast it may be, there will always be a certain degree of "staccato", which is tiring to the eyes if one has to follow movements in the viewfinder closely hour after hour (I've used EVFs for 4 years now).
Subjects that move along a predictable pattern, I have no problems following with an EVF, even sometimes when the EVF blacks out during short bursts and between frames. Unpredictable patterns I suspect will be hard to follow even if the refresh rate increases tenfold. It's more to it than speed.
Not so much the A7 specifically, but the concept, and I'm sure Sony will develop models that have the fast frame rate and the AF. The A99 and E-M1 would probably more relevant comparisons. On paper, they look suitable for action photography, in the real world, not so much. When they launched the A99, they even used some sports shots, seen through the viewfinder, to market the camera.Why would the A7 ever be compared to the D4 for the purposes of what the latter was designed for? Its like saying Ferraris are 'crap' because they can't plough fields. It just doesn't need to be stated.
Back to the D4S, I can absolutely see why they released an updated D4, because that's perhaps the way to see this; not so much a new camera but an update.
A high MP D-something is surely coming, but all I have to say is 'lenses'.
Guy,you've probably forgotten more than I know about photography.. but I wouldnt argue with this comment,It reminds of something I read before,(maybe here on this forum),and that is that pro photography is about finding and applying solutions.which comes from experience and skill.not just gear.So I guess 11 Fps makes this the great sports camera. How soon you all forget where you came from. I shot better sports without a motor drive and a hand crank. One word spoiled .
What is even more revealing is the 5 minute arm chair comments with the Sony. Have you guys actually shot the damn thing in these situations. NO or even figured out how
How about doing runway all day long with a adapted lens. Seriously where in the hell did Sony even enter into this conversation or anyone say the Sony was intended for this type of work.
Tell you what meet me at the next football game bring your D4s and I'll still smoke your *** with a hand crank. REALLY did not know gear actually shot images.
Sorry it just had to be said from a guy that shot sports with even MF camera. Shot aerials with a 4x5 tethered to a helicopter. It's about talent not the gear. The only thing gear does is give you your options to help make it happen. It's up to you to score with it
I probably should not even post this. But this thread is exactly what's the worst thing about forums. We should really delete it to be honest. Your putting the gear as the premium and not the artist its a typical let's machine gun the **** out of it and see what we get mentality.
Is the D4s good at it , why yes my dear it's the best damn machine gun you can buy. No question it is.
I'm going golfing I read enough