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Digital medium format in 2024 – it's not dead!
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Paul Spinnler
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What's that troll move again?
I think this forum's discussion quality is deteroriating. It is a serious question – it should be imminent and maybe some new information appeared in the meantime.
After posting this he went on again on a page-long non-helpful troll post which on top included incorrect information.
So what's your problem, Drunkenspyder?
drunkenspyder
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Geez Paul, why do you make this personal? I simply gave a thumbs up to a notion with which I feel a personal connection: the unreliability of Hasselblad R&D and product development (they couldn’t even get the 50th anniversary lunar camera out on time). I have owned old Hasselblad, and I was deeply committed to the newer stuff in the X1D (both versions) and multiple lenses, etc. I patiently waited for development of new gear. Fell in love with the X1D, but wanted it to become “more.” Was hopeful about the DJI investment/acquisition, etc, but time and again, Hassy disappointed me in its evolutionary support of my particular use case.
So, when I see all sorts of hullabaloo about “the next great thing” from Hassy, it reminds me, again, of how I’ve been disappointed before. Your enthusiasm for the announcement is great (and I hope it’s rewarded), but I am more in the camp of “nothing to see here yet.” But my brief comment was not to you or about you. So, why do you feel compelled to insult me by calling me a troll?
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Paul Spinnler
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Thanks for explaining – I don't want to insult you. But I felt attacked the other day and feel there's unsanctioned troll behaviour that's tolerated and when you liked video which is basically indirect mocking I misinterpreted that as directed towards my comment.
So please accept the apology that its not meant against you.
Well look, I don't know what to say around MF posting content in general. There's not so much action in general in this space and things get drawn out and are repetitive. The 100C discussion has been around for what two years now?
Given P1's lack of communication, no REAL exciting stuff coming up that is publicly known besides the new back from Hasselblad it comes up again and again.
I honestly wish there would be action on the tech cam side or even more public statements or even a roadmap.
+ New bodies
+ Rodenstock new lenses
+ SK getting back into lenses
+ New adapters
Also I remember the days we had Photokina – with companies disclosing new stuff, showing new stuff, so all of that is gone so all remains is some internet leaks and rumors and endless waiting because no one in these times wants to commit to a roadmap.
I for example don't get why there is 0 comms from P1 – I think it has to do with the fact that the fat of the photo business is still in the air somehow and that the investors don't want to lean to far out of the window.
On the Hassy back – no idea why thre's no more proactive communication around it. I just find it weird that all of a sudden ther's an email, it drops and then you can order it online. Its totally different than how companies would foreshadow new things in the past.
But there's no news and it gets a bit boring I agree to talk about the same things ... so I guess time will tell ...
Genuine question: RE Hasselblad X and 907X cameras, I know they are just plain shutterless bodies,does anyone think there should be a body with focal plain sutter? How much weight and bulk can it add? And if it is possible. With their V bodies there were V (F 2000, 201 etc) allowing leaf shutter lenses as well as F and FE series lenses.
Exciting news! Now waiting for the official announcement.
Paul Spinnler
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So when is the official announcement? On Monday?
sounds like not separately?
My dealer told me that it will not have IBIS.
Paul Spinnler
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Price point, other info on the back?
"Slightly cheaper" than the X2D.
Paul Spinnler
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That's awesome. Its like made for the TC and Rodie HR glass.
It will be critical to see what the readout speed it on the new back. If ES is really fast, hand-held shooting because a real option even with copal / AU. Lack of IS is a bit disappointing – I guess this would have been too good to be true. Wonder though why it is in the menu.
With the IQ4 I need a wide-angle – e.g. below 43, small file size mode to readout fast and hold super steady. Its tricky with buildings so X shutter is almost a must, which is why the 40 / 50 HR are the ideal lenses. X shutter is P1 ecosystem only, so let's hope one can use the 40/50 HR with the new Hassy hand-held.
It will be critical to see what the readout speed it on the new back. If ES is really fast, hand-held shooting because a real option even with copal / AU. Lack of IS is a bit disappointing – I guess this would have been too good to be true. Wonder though why it is in the menu.
With the IQ4 I need a wide-angle – e.g. below 43, small file size mode to readout fast and hold super steady. Its tricky with buildings so X shutter is almost a must, which is why the 40 / 50 HR are the ideal lenses. X shutter is P1 ecosystem only, so let's hope one can use the 40/50 HR with the new Hassy hand-held.
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I just wish the larger senors had won out. It seems 33x44 is the standard now. At least there's still used stuff and Phase One as a holdout for now. But as I see it this is a niche market that is contracting more than it expands. It could change if the format takes hold in the cinema/video market. But whatever ends up happening, as long as mine stay alive I'm good.
Paul Spinnler
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Good question whether one formt will win or not; the large sensor is also used in other areal resolution focused applications, but you're right this is a key question to ask.
I do hope they take a slightly improved IQ4 to an IQ4+ or IQ5 with all new tech besides the sensor.
A faster, more connectable IQ4 would have a case, IMHO.
Also, the fact that P1 will release multiple new products this year leads me to believe that we'll see something on the back side as well.
I am talking about 90 HR tilt, 150 and XT XL (hopefully) and potentially new XC stuff (standalone?) ... would be kind of weird to push all of this out to just then stop at the IQ4.
I think an IQ5 is coming and I think it'll be very cool.
Seeing the roadmap of P1, I've decided to hold on to my XT ... fingers crossed that they manage to get back to the point where they are vastly superior in terms of a few key features. There's then still the high-end who will buy it ...
If the new hassy back is indeed cheaper than an X2D it could also reinvigorate the whole tech cam market. So I am hopeful too that this pushes a bit Alpa, Cambo, Arca ... and if these brands make adapters for the latest TS lenses from CaNikon you actually have a very cool value proposition.
Hassy back, 3 TSE lenses, Alpa body + adapter – 20-22k vs. XT 3 lenses and back 80k ...
I do hope they take a slightly improved IQ4 to an IQ4+ or IQ5 with all new tech besides the sensor.
A faster, more connectable IQ4 would have a case, IMHO.
Also, the fact that P1 will release multiple new products this year leads me to believe that we'll see something on the back side as well.
I am talking about 90 HR tilt, 150 and XT XL (hopefully) and potentially new XC stuff (standalone?) ... would be kind of weird to push all of this out to just then stop at the IQ4.
I think an IQ5 is coming and I think it'll be very cool.
Seeing the roadmap of P1, I've decided to hold on to my XT ... fingers crossed that they manage to get back to the point where they are vastly superior in terms of a few key features. There's then still the high-end who will buy it ...
If the new hassy back is indeed cheaper than an X2D it could also reinvigorate the whole tech cam market. So I am hopeful too that this pushes a bit Alpa, Cambo, Arca ... and if these brands make adapters for the latest TS lenses from CaNikon you actually have a very cool value proposition.
Hassy back, 3 TSE lenses, Alpa body + adapter – 20-22k vs. XT 3 lenses and back 80k ...
My understanding also.
Alkibiades
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Not Realy!This is very serious, Leica killed Sinar !!!
Its a clear case for prosecution
Some idiots at Jena Optik ( the follower company of Carl Zeiss East- the biggest optic and electronic company in europe) killed Sinar. The bosses of the company wanted to make big money ( military, medical technology , science, space- there is big money to make) and they killed at one meeting the whole photo-optical part of the Jena Optic company.
This was the end of the biggest player in the digital middle format photography.
Eyelike Jena optik was the first 22 MP back, all Sinar backs was Jena optik technology, they develope the best camera at these times: follower of the rolleiflex 6008, Leaf AFi and Sinar Hy6, and Leica get all digital parts from Jana Optik also.
So with the end of Jena optik photographic part the future of Sinar that was a part of jena optik at the time was over.
All Sinar digital technology was Jena optik. As the production of new backs was stopped they was done.
Also Rollei- Franke heinecke could not survive this dramatical decision. Jena sold Sinar to Leica, before this decision Jena wanted to buy Leica...
Phase one, Hasseblad and leica are very small companys compared to Jena optik. If Jena optik would stay in Photo buissness the market would be different today, I think.
Leica was not able to produce new backs without jena optik, so Sinar future as a big player was done.
They can make still the mechanical parts, they are superior there, but without new digital products such company is lie a car company that want to produce E-cars without having bateries.
Where did Leaf come into play in all this? I thought they were also a participant as far as the Rolleiflex Hy6/Leaf Afi/Sinar Hy6 camera was concerned. I know they were acquired by Phase One (and phased out!) Also, I was not aware of Jena initiating development of the Hy6 with Rollei and Sinar. Thanks.
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