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Fun with MF Achromatic Digital Backs

rdeloe

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Thank you for your suggestion, no offence to Bruce and don't get me wrong, but artistically I do enjoy pursuing my own path and my own journey alone. Technically speaking, I have been shooting film non-stop since the 1980s, until I stopped for a few years after the 2010s. Also, I have been using digital tech cameras since 2010, so combining the two, 4x5" felt going back home. Since January, I enjoyed re-reading all my Zone systems, all my Ansels, and so on, including reading dozens of new books in the last months to expand on what the great masters did. I found so much to learn, their life stories, their work, their incredible technical abilities revealed to me once again!

With practical development, I was a bit rusty with my first 4x5" batches, but after the first 50 sheet or so (plus some rolls of film, since I also added a Nikon FM2 and a Mamiya 6 to my arsenal) now that I am back in the flow I think I'll be OK :) Thanks again!

Best regards,

Vieri
I hope it sticks for you Vieri. I "come from film", but left it behind in the early 2000s. I've had two episodes of coming back to film since then. Neither lasted long though. I didn't find whatever it was I was looking for when I went back to film. It sounds like you have.
 

ThdeDude

Well-known member
I also was seriously considering film. I ordered (and paid!) two boxes of New55 PN400 film but the order never showed up.

Someone told me that the original Polaroid production machine for Type55 was discarded before the new owner took over the factory. Too bad!
 

ThdeDude

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I feel for any traditional, non-digital process to be relevant nowadays the photographic process itself has to be somewhat part of the creative process, and somewhat relate to the subject-matter photographed. For me, anything digital inbetween takes away the magic, but people may differ here.

I miss my darkroom and printing with an enlarger: the acidly smell of the chemicals in my tiny bathroom/darkroom, feeling the electrostatic when removing a sheet of Cibachrome from the envelope, seeing and manipulating the image projected onto the paper, the elevation seeing the print slowly emerging from the Cap-40 processor, the excitement of washing a successful print. Printing with my office printer (ET-8550) is just not the same even if it's much more efficient and gets better prints. It's like printing a business letter!
 
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vieri

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I hope it sticks for you Vieri. I "come from film", but left it behind in the early 2000s. I've had two episodes of coming back to film since then. Neither lasted long though. I didn't find whatever it was I was looking for when I went back to film. It sounds like you have.
Thank you Rob for the kind wishes. Time will tell if it sticks, for the moment I am really enjoying the process and that's what counts for me. One thing I have been learning, which I found profoundly transformative, is how to deal with the fact that there are shots that are missed due to the nature of the beast and there always will be, since regardless of how fast I'll become with 4x5" I will never be as fast as I am with digital (e.g., the time it takes to create a new composition, change lens and reframe, and so on). I expected frustration, and the ambition to get more shot, to get the best of me - it didn't happen. Maybe I am older (and wiser!) than I thought I am 😂 but I am fine with it.

Best regards,

Vieri
 

vieri

Well-known member
I feel for any traditional, non-digital process to be relevant nowadays the photographic process itself has to be somewhat part of the creative process, and somewhat relate to the subject-matter photographed. For me, anything digital inbetween takes away the magic, but people may differ here.

I miss my darkroom and printing with an enlarger: the acidly smell of the chemicals in my tiny bathroom/darkroom, feeling the electrostatic when removing a sheet of Cibachrome from the envelope, seeing and manipulating the image projected onto the paper, the elevation seeing the print slowly emerging from the Cap-40 processor, the excitement of washing a successful print. Printing with my office printer (ET-8550) is just not the same even if it's much more efficient and gets better prints. It's like printing a business letter!
I fully agree with you, for me the photographic process has definitely to be part of the creative process. The extent to which that happens, in my view, is personal - and, it's a line we all need to draw, whether working with a purely digital process, a mixed digital / analog process or a purely analog process.

With the nearly unlimited possibilities for manipulation offered by digital, the need for drawing a line might be more evident; but, a lot of manipulation can be done in a mixed digital / analog process, and in a fully analog one as well. For instance, see the famous Ansel Adams vs Mortensen debate, and the work of the latter, a master of analog manipulation over 100 years ago.

E.g., when working with my Phase One IQ4 Achro, or with any digital camera before that, my line was: single shots only (no composites, no focus staking, etc); cloning garbage, dust spots, etc is ok; adding anything is not OK; and so on.

With my mixed analog / digital process, my line is: single shots only (no composites, etc); cloning garbage and dust spots after scanning is OK; adding anything is not OK; and so on.

More, post-processing aside, for me the creative process starts in the field. Being able to work with a large ground glass, with a camera offering full movements, with the limitation of having much fewer shots available and the extra focus this brings, and so on, is definitely part of the inspiration and of the creative process.

Your "line" is not adding any digital step into an analog workflow, and I can definitely see the point of that. My "line" is a little less purist than yours, and the aesthetics of starting with an analog negative, plus the post-processing direction that doing so push you towards, paired with the ethos of using an analog camera in the field, are magic enough for me to insert an analog step in my workflow.

Best regards,

Vieri
 

ThdeDude

Well-known member
I fully agree with you, for me the photographic process has definitely to be part of the creative process. The extent to which that happens, in my view, is personal - and, it's a line we all need to draw, whether working with a purely digital process, a mixed digital / analog process or a purely analog process.
Vieri, maybe I was talking a bit too much to myself here. I apologize if perhaps I came across a bit too opinionated.

An acquaintance of mine photographs Navajos (IMHO very successfully) using an antique 8x10” Deardorff with a bronze finish Petzval lens and the photographic process/film used is tintype. The formal Deardorff works well for his somewhat formal portraits, is what many expect from a "real photographer", and the "golden" lens surely must have a mesmerizing effect too! The final end product, tintype works well with the often traditionally dressed Navajos. (The German journal DER SPIEGEL once had one of this photographs to illustrate a historical story, only the smartwatch gave it away that it isn't a 185x image and the name of the copyright owner who I know personally.)

I thought a 11x14" would be the perfect camera and the perfect print size for something similar like that. However, I am challenged thinking of a motive, subject or object, where the photographic process could be part of the creative process, and the end result would work well with the subject-matter photographed.
 
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Doppler9000

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The formal Deardorff is what Navajos expect from a "real photographer", and the "golden" lens surely must have a mesmerizing effect on them!
Dude - you might want to revisit your characterization here - it’s pretty off-key.
 
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ThdeDude

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Dude - you might want to revisit your characterization here - it’s pretty off-key.
Not sure whether you meant it tongue-in-ceek, or not! Navajos prefer to be referred as "Diné" but I thought this word might be not known to most readers.

But since I would rather prefer to avoid any controversy about that, I stand corrected and revised, as suggested, what I wrote.
 
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