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Or an 8x10 sensor?Imagine a photo sensor the size of your LCD you are viewing this on and as cheap to buy. What will be the limitation then? Content.
It seems like there may be a new option coming: LargeSense: LargeSense LLC :: LS911Or an 8x10 sensor?
Unfortunately, the above sensor is only 10MP, and as far as I know, only 2 copies exist, both owned by Mitchell Feinberg who use them instead of polaroids before shooting the image on film. But if he can make two and make them "pay for themselves", one can wonder what holds the camera industry back from making at least a sensor that is 6x6.
If photography becomes more niche as indicated by the continuing drop in sales across all markets (P&S, entry-level DSLR, prosumer DSLR, pro DSLR), then prices will have to go up further to support the remaining products they do sell.Personally I think the move to using cellphone instead of cameras is one due to most people only use their shots as digital images on the web today and two sorry to say the overly inflated prices camera companies are charging for their glass today. $3k for a 70-200mm f2.8 OEM zoom imho is just insane. I for one would never pay that for this lens no matter how good or bad it is when I can get a 80-200mm f2.8 hs Minolta for 1/3 the price. $15k for a 500mm f4 is just absurd ......... especially in the current worlds economy. For $6K I can get a Minolta 600mm f4 in pristine shape.
As long as this trend to higher and higher priced glass (and bodies in some cases) continues more and more casual photographers will move further and further away from cameras and towards smart phones as they keep getting better and better and lower in price.
The shrinking camera sales worldwide is just a result of these two trends. IMO camera companies are shooting themselves in the foot raising prices. Look at my 70-400mm 4 years ago or so I bought mine new on a Sony Christmas sale for $995 from B&H...... now the new 70-400mm is over $2k,,,,,, Really????? Twice the price in 4 short years???? I would not by this lens for that price.
+1 and also there will be an increased time between innovated products (not talking about incremental upgrades)If photography becomes more niche as indicated by the continuing drop in sales across all markets (P&S, entry-level DSLR, prosumer DSLR, pro DSLR), then prices will have to go up further to support the remaining products they do sell.
Or there is option #2 continue to raise the prices to support your existing cost and go out of business due to pricing yourself out of the market.If photography becomes more niche as indicated by the continuing drop in sales across all markets (P&S, entry-level DSLR, prosumer DSLR, pro DSLR), then prices will have to go up further to support the remaining products they do sell.
I doubt when you include film and developing costs that for anything but a casual amateur it would be that much different. Just the costs of learning alone...I wonder just how many of us 50 years and older would be doing this if we faced the kind of costs todays starting out photographers face to be able to play.
Longer product cycles would be excellent. The Nikon F6, which is manufactured at the breathtaking rate of 100 units per year, still sells at a moderate $2,500 or thereabouts. I don't know if Nikon makes a profit from it, but it has been in production for 10 years and is still an excellent camera, whatever way I see it.+1 and also there will be an increased time between innovated products (not talking about incremental upgrades)
Might give us enough time to really get to know our equipment. :watch:
Thanks
Phil
Now THAT I'd like to see. Any chance you might post one or two in the Nikon images thread, Jorgen?Just today, I shot a buffalo race (yes, there is such a thing),
Will do in a few minutesNow THAT I'd like to see. Any chance you might post one or two in the Nikon images thread, Jorgen?
Hi Guy. Can you tell me what lenses did you use to achieve this performance with the A77 II ?Really go pick up a A77II. I can't smell, taste or see the difference in the slightest between a OVF and a EVF. The live view is just so much better as well and the AF on the A77II NOTHING I MEAN NOTHING can match. I just shot 15 thousand images with it and NO Nikon can touch it or Canon for that matter on AF lock and follow focus. Im not freaking kidding here, I could be half dead shooting the thing and it would still track and nail everything in sight. Remember its 1200 dollars not 6k too.
I don't disagree with you but the beginners and mom 'n pops ships have sailed - they're not buying standalone single-purpose cameras any more. This is why most companies are focusing on speciality prosumer markets, cameras like the A7 series, RX100, and D810. What we would consider a reasonable amount of per-purchase profit will be much less than what the companies will accept in a declining, niche market. It's going to look more like Leica and a lot less like P&S.Or there is option #2 continue to raise the prices to support your existing cost and go out of business due to pricing yourself out of the market.
Option 3 is to reduce production and facilities to a level to support the demand and price your product for a reasonable amount of profit that the average person does not feel strapped in purchasing... the pro market will not keep one company afloat none the less 6-7companies. They need the beginners and the mom and pops and the serious amateurs to get the sort of volume they need to be profitable at their current levels. The prices are scaring most of them away just like it did the high end shotguns, custom bamboo rods, etc.... these markets are still out there but in a greatly reduced state. Without customers they will all go belly up .....
To be honest if I hadn't been doing this since the early 60's and am so deeply invested in this activity and working currently as a product photographer I wouldn't take $3k+ and spend it on a body and another $5-6K for 3 to 4 lenses for it. No friggin way... I would snap away with a iPhone post them on the net and invest that money in area's it could make money for me instead of depreciating and always having the feeling I needed to upgrade to another body or lens to get marginal if any improvements in final IQ. Its a obsession not a passion for many who often have more money than sense.... we see their posts all the time all over the web.
I wonder just how many of us 50 years and older would be doing this if we faced the kind of costs todays starting out photographers face to be able to play.
The 70-200 ZA 2.8 SSM2 I think it isHi Guy. Can you tell me what lenses did you use to achieve this performance with the A77 II ?
Thanks a lot
Luis
There are truckloads of irony embedded into this. Sony, one of the leading manufacturers of digital p&s cameras, is also one of the leading suppliers of high quality camera phones, the very product that pushes the mainstream p&s towards the cliff. Luckily, some of those companies that really know how to make good niche products are still around and hopefully, the big masters like Nikon and Canon will find back to that concept. It's unfortunate that some threw in the towel along the way. A Contax N36 would indeed have been a sweet camera...I don't disagree with you but the beginners and mom 'n pops ships have sailed - they're not buying standalone single-purpose cameras any more. This is why most companies are focusing on speciality prosumer markets, cameras like the A7 series, RX100, and D810. What we would consider a reasonable amount of per-purchase profit will be much less than what the companies will accept in a declining, niche market. It's going to look more like Leica and a lot less like P&S.