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    Nikon 200 2.0 - Images and Discussion

    My apologies if this topic has been discussed here before. If nothing else, this thread will be a break from all the new tech mania, LOL.

    Photography is popular for so many reasons and everyone is different. Lenses seem to me to be important enough to discuss as I am about to change my 5- year plan a couple of years early. Now that I am back working with Nikon gear, it is a good time to re-evaluate why I am here in the first place.

    Photography is not a hobby for me. Far from it, photography is one facet of my life and it is not related to any idea of an activity now that I am wholly irrelevant to society. It is a form of expression for me to tell a story.

    What story? Whose story? And more importantly, why?

    The answer is any story for anyone that I value as important for various reasons. How a story is told is as varied and personal as the motif. The tools are important and for me, they must be selected carefully.

    So, why am I interested in the 200/2.0? The results I have seen over the years speak for themselves. Beauty is in the motif, the story, the words, and yes in the images. As I contemplate our "business plan/journey", I thought it would be interesting to see what members on this forum are shooting with the 200/2.0 lens.
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    Re: Nikon 200 2.0 - Images and Discussion

    There does not seem to be many discussions on this particular lens, or I am just not finding them.

    The 85/1.4 is certainly a consideration for the D850 and a comparison of that lens with the 200/2.0 would be informative for sure.
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    There's a nice discussion with pics here:

    https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1172604
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    I feel forced to comment on this, sorry!

    I don't have the 200/2 and I never will...it's simply 'too much' in every way and I could have all the photo gear I want for the same price with less weight....

    However, curiosity made me look thru the Fred Miranda thread....I was largely dissappointed as very few posted pix look to be sharp to me (perhaps just my old screen) and 'sharpness' is big in my book, especially for serious money like that. to be fair, there is a superb pic of storks(?) taking flight in snow which I would have been well pleased to have shot and for which the wall space is waiting......

    So often I look at these threads here (since I was once a photographer) and wonder 'why' about the lenses/cameras/attitudes/technology.... I have a friend who is a life long fly fisherman. He mainly uses an ancient split rod which is actually broken (many years ago) but he seems unconcerned because, as he told me; "it's really the fish that interests me"

    So the 200/2 is a wonderful piece of 'want' wrapped up in 'need' and glossed with 'can' but i don't really see the photography.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugleone View Post
    I feel forced to comment on this, sorry!

    I don't have the 200/2 and I never will...it's simply 'too much' in every way and I could have all the photo gear I want for the same price with less weight....

    However, curiosity made me look thru the Fred Miranda thread....I was largely dissappointed as very few posted pix look to be sharp to me (perhaps just my old screen) and 'sharpness' is big in my book, especially for serious money like that. to be fair, there is a superb pic of storks(?) taking flight in snow which I would have been well pleased to have shot and for which the wall space is waiting......

    So often I look at these threads here (since I was once a photographer) and wonder 'why' about the lenses/cameras/attitudes/technology.... I have a friend who is a life long fly fisherman. He mainly uses an ancient split rod which is actually broken (many years ago) but he seems unconcerned because, as he told me; "it's really the fish that interests me"

    So the 200/2 is a wonderful piece of 'want' wrapped up in 'need' and glossed with 'can' but i don't really see the photography.....
    We all have our opinions which I understand at my age...but you are off-topic and not helpful. It is not up to any of us to argue or try to change minds. As a fly fisherman myself, I love using anything, but I happen to love the custom bamboo
    fly rod the most.

    To each his own.

    FWIW, the 200/2 is an amazing portrait lens with outstanding bokeh. Some people do not like shallow razor thin DOF, and others like me,we thrive on those qualities like creamy bokeh. it is also highly prized for other uses.

    That is all I have to say about the "why".

    Now where is that Noctilux?
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    Re: Nikon 200 2.0 - Images and Discussion

    Interesting how few posts this forum receives in a day compared to others like the MF forum. Only two posts in 24 hours besides mine.

    Well, hopefully folks are out shooting rather than talking. But my feeling is that few people actually post except for the latest high tech news as even the Fun with Nikon Images thread is quiet. The digital acquisition syndrome, I suppose.

    Back on topic, the Nikon 200/2 has been mentioned in a couple of Otus 55 reviews. While I am delightfully stunned at the results posted with the Otus, the comparison of such radially different focal lengths which are used in quite different shooting scenarios, is curious.

    Dante must already know that one must have both!

    Lol, it is all good!
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    Yes, the images speak for themselves, and it's a fantastic lens, but it's big and heavy... like a dinosaur. Which it is.

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    Re: Nikon 200 2.0 - Images and Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Yes, the images speak for themselves, and it's a fantastic lens, but it's big and heavy... like a dinosaur. Which it is.
    Hahaha!.... a dinosaur pretty much describes me, I suppose.

    Size and weight mean little to me. A tripod for landscapes; a tripod for portraits; a tripod for most things I do lately. The rest falls into the walkabout snaps that I rarely do anymore. But when I do, a fast lens like the Otus 55 would be ideal.

    Reality dictates the Nikon 50/1.8, though, and it is great for everyday carry on any Nikon body that I am using.

    The 200/2 is not my idea of a handshooting lens, but maybe there are folks who are doing great work with it? I am interested in seeing those results, too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave.gt View Post
    Hahaha!.... a dinosaur pretty much describes me, I suppose.

    Size and weight mean little to me. A tripod for landscapes; a tripod for portraits; a tripod for most things I do lately. The rest falls into the walkabout snaps that I rarely do anymore. But when I do, a fast lens like the Otus 55 would be ideal.

    Reality dictates the Nikon 50/1.8, though, and it is great for everyday carry on any Nikon body that I am using.

    The 200/2 is not my idea of a handshooting lens, but maybe there are folks who are doing great work with it? I am interested in seeing those results, too!
    If I'm buying a full frame camera again, which I might, I will probably limit the number of lenses to 2-3 large aperture primes between 20 and 100 mm. For anything longer, I find that smaller sensor cameras make more sense. The problem with a lens like the 200/2 is that I would have to plan to include it in my kit and decide what I should take out to make room in the bag, like I did when I had the 200-500/5.6. With a compact kit, I always bring everything, and never need to worry if I've forgotten stuff. It's al in the bag.
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    Re: Nikon 200 2.0 - Images and Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    If I'm buying a full frame camera again, which I might, I will probably limit the number of lenses to 2-3 large aperture primes between 20 and 100 mm. For anything longer, I find that smaller sensor cameras make more sense. The problem with a lens like the 200/2 is that I would have to plan to include it in my kit and decide what I should take out to make room in the bag, like I did when I had the 200-500/5.6. With a compact kit, I always bring everything, and never need to worry if I've forgotten stuff. It's al in the bag.
    Ah, yes, the bag.

    It is always quite a puzzle with gear isn't it? I now have two backpacks to simplify things where before I simply shot a Leica with a lens or two and kept it in my Billingham shoulder bag. Even when shooting my old Nikon film cameras, I still carry only one with a lens and six rolls of film and spare battery.

    Now, things are complicated.

    The Studio's gear is all MF and all of it fits into the Satori backpack. I love that pack and walk with it everyday to stay in some kind of shape.

    But the only camera I personally have to use everyday now is the D850 having sold everything else of value. It's home is the Loka UL. I love that pack too. But I only carry the camera and two lenses, battery grip and charger; and misc accessories. Total weight = 11 pounds including the pack. I am resisting the plan to include a telephoto lens like the 200/2 in the future for the same reasons you mentioned.

    But then, I can always strap another bag on somehow. Guess I need to lengthen my daily walks to get in better shape!!! Oh, wait, I have two grandsons needing something to do... Sherpa time!
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    It definitely delivers a unique look; paper-thin and razor-sharp focus at the 200 focal portrait distance. It's also sharper wide open than the 70-200/2.8 zoom is at f2.8, yet with an even thinner DoF. It's one optical wart is being fairly --actually, very-- flare prone... But still those two main benefits come at costs --and significant ones to my thinking-- in both dollars and weight. (Remember, this is coming from a guy who recently sold off his entire collection of excellent performing f/1.4 ART lenses because he was tired of schlepping the weight for apertures he never used.) (Sidebar note to SIGMA: Make your ART series in f2 versions!) Anyway, I digress. The real question becomes do you *need* those two main traits for the imaging you do? An ancillary question is then logically, how long will it take to pay for itself? And finally, if you plan on shooting it at anything over f3.5, the 2.8 zoom is just as good optically and a LOT more versatile. And a lot cheaper. And a lot lighter in weight. And a lot easier to sell when you're tired of it and want the lighter-weight f4 version ...

    My .02 only and I respect YMMV...


    PS: For 1/3rd less cost and 1/2 the total weight, you could own the 70-200/2.8 VR AND the 300 f4 pf. Just sayin.
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    It definitely delivers a unique look; paper-thin and razor-sharp focus at the 200 focal portrait distance. It's also sharper wide open than the 70-200/2.8 zoom is at f2.8, yet with an even thinner DoF. It's one optical wart is being fairly --actually, very-- flare prone... But still those two main benefits come at costs --and significant ones to my thinking-- in both dollars and weight. (Remember, this is coming from a guy who recently sold off his entire collection of excellent performing f/1.4 ART lenses because he was tired of schlepping the weight for apertures he never used.) (Sidebar note to SIGMA: Make your ART series in f2 versions!) Anyway, I digress. The real question becomes do you *need* those two main traits for the imaging you do? An ancillary question is then logically, how long will it take to pay for itself? And finally, if you plan on shooting it at anything over f3.5, the 2.8 zoom is just as good optically and a LOT more versatile. And a lot cheaper. And a lot lighter in weight. And a lot easier to sell when you're tired of it and want the lighter-weight f4 version ...

    My .02 only and I respect YMMV...


    PS: For 1/3rd less cost and 1/2 the total weight, you could own the 70-200/2.8 VR AND the 300 f4 pf. Just sayin.
    Yeah, I had the 70-200 2.8 and it was wonderful! But, it ain't a 200/2.0... if I have one lens left to enjoy before I die, it is only the 200/2.0... I am done with the the dream lenses of Leica and pretty much everything else on my bucket list.

    Weight and size are advantages for me for many reasons. I don't mind either.

    Cost is of course difficult to address, but we shall see.

    Never say never.
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    Hi Dave

    I sold mine 5 years ago now, used it with a D800 and D800E, for sure it's big and bulky but I never felt it excessive, shot mainly handheld with it and had no issues with carrying it about, I was a younger man though! The bokeh is stunning, it's reasonably fast focussing if I remember correctly and I'd have no issue buying one again if I wanted to, if you want one, get it, who cares what anyone else thinks!

    Some random snaps I found from it, nothing particularly interesting but all wide open. I don't remember it being anything other than razor sharp if that's a concern.







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    Quote Originally Posted by dave.gt View Post
    if I have one lens left to enjoy before I die, it is only the 200/2.0...
    Then you've already decided, and good on you! Get one right now and share some amazing images with it!!!
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    Matt.

    I love the power line shot.

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    This lens may seem expensive but it's in line with Phase One lens prices
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    Images!!!

    Thanks, Mat!!!

    In the OP, I mentioned that I would like to see what others are/or have been shooting and I was hopeful more folks would post their own images from the big 200.

    I am enamored with the portraits posted on Flickr that I have seen. However, I don't have days to while away digging through Flickr. It would be more helpful to see what members here have been enjoying... no rush, it will the rest of this year to even begin getting into another focal length if I could even come up with the resources for the lens. New lenses somehow take up a lot of time to understand and bond with them! Even for the King of Bokeh (my name for it, LOL)...

    Bokeh. That's what it's all about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post
    This lens may seem expensive but it's in line with Phase One lens prices
    Yes, it is expensive... definitely. It can be either a business decision to purchase or an emotionally based decision, or even just a "want" decision, based on many things. It can also be a decision based on a desire for value added.

    In this case, it is an extraordinary lens for extraordinary uses. It is rather hard to match other lenses to do the same thing.

    Perhaps, an Otus?

    I don't know but it would be fun trying out to see if it is possible to get close!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave.gt View Post

    So, why am I interested in the 200/2.0? The results I have seen over the years speak for themselves. Beauty is in the motif, the story, the words, and yes in the images. As I contemplate our "business plan/journey", I thought it would be interesting to see what members on this forum are shooting with the 200/2.0 lens.
    Have you tried the 58mm f/1.4? Your description above fits that lens very well. It's also a much more manageable lens than the 200mm. There's a loooong thread over at FM with tons of nice photos taken with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Have you tried the 58mm f/1.4? Your description above fits that lens very well. It's also a much more manageable lens than the 200mm. There's a loooong thread over at FM with tons of nice photos taken with it.
    Cool, I will check it out. Thanks!

    I am also looking around for a rental possibility of the 200/2.0 at some point in the summer. In the meantime, I am busy with the other end of the focal length continuum: 14mm Talk about a special use lens! Whoa!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave.gt View Post
    Cool, I will check it out. Thanks!

    I am also looking around for a rental possibility of the 200/2.0 at some point in the summer. In the meantime, I am busy with the other end of the focal length continuum: 14mm Talk about a special use lens! Whoa!
    Just a note on the 14... The Nikon is awesome, and if I needed 14 a lot, it would be in my bag. The Sigma ART is also an option, but I've not actually handled or shot with it. BUT for my needs the 14 is used only seldom, and it's usually interiors, where AF isn't all that important. So I gave the little Samyang 14 manual focus a whirl. It is actually an impressive performer, being quite sharp corner to corner. For $350. They even make an AF version now for around $500. I'd definitely look into one of them unless you plan to use it a lot. Then maybe the Nikkor or Sigma would be the way to go. Let's not forget the ZF 15 either...
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    If bokeh is your happy place, take a gander at the 105mm 1.4E. It’s got more reach than the 85mm 1.4 and portrait shooters swear by this lens.
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    Shot at f2
    DSC_2059 by RickZPhoto, on Flickr

    DSC_0983 by RickZPhoto, on Flickr

    DSC_0881 by RickZPhoto, on Flickr

    DSC_1149_1 by RickZPhoto, on Flickr

    DSC_4843MD by RickZPhoto, on Flickr

    DSC_4100_12x8 by RickZPhoto, on Flickr

    And finally a shot of both of my 200 f2s. The one on the D800 is the manual focus version.

    20160301_064505 by RickZPhoto, on Flickr
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    Ah, Rick...there you are! I was hoping you would visit this thread.

    You have TWO of these lenses!!! Oh, do we need to talk! Do you find any differences with either version of the lens?

    Your images are lovely! We have been hoping someone would begin posting their own images and begin discussions.

    Thanks!
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    Thanks for starting this thread Dave. This is a lens I have often wished I had. As an amateur photographer, the price has simply been above the range I was willing to pay. Maybe someday my resistance will weaken. The images from MJR and Thor are certainly making it much harder to resist.

    I did not know about the earlier AIS 200/2. For me, it may be worth considering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave.gt View Post
    Ah, Rick...there you are! I was hoping you would visit this thread.

    You have TWO of these lenses!!! Oh, do we need to talk! Do you find any differences with either version of the lens?

    Your images are lovely! We have been hoping someone would begin posting their own images and begin discussions.

    Thanks!
    Quote Originally Posted by bensonga View Post
    Thanks for starting this thread Dave. This is a lens I have often wished I had. As an amateur photographer, the price has simply been above the range I was willing to pay. Maybe someday my resistance will weaken. The images from MJR and Thor are certainly making it much harder to resist.

    I did not know about the earlier AIS 200/2. For me, it may be worth considering.

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    Wedding photography with Nikon 200 f2 ais manual focus lens a review

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    Thanks for the comments guys, yes I have both versions of these two fine lenses and there is some differences besides the obvious of one being manual focus only versus the auto-focus with image stabilization version. A few observations of the differences I've made of the two:

    1. After doing quite extensive research before buying the first of the two 200 f2s I found what amounted to three variations of the manual focus version of which mine is the 2nd version, which if memory serves me correctly was made in in 1986? right before Nikon changed the lens slightly to include a removable filter which the prior two did not have as an option.


    2. Between the three the optics were stated by most articles I found to be identical with only a slight sharpness edge being reported in the last of the three released or the 200 f2 with the removable filter. I do agree with those findings but ultimately if you buy one of these manual focus lens for mainly portraiture the particular softness of this lens when shot wide open is likely doing you a favor when it comes time to do any post-processing as otherwise the sharpness can make some skin touch-ups take longer than you would like as it can show every imperfection.

    3. if anyone should purchase a manual focus 200 f2 it may be worth it to invest in a modified TC-16A adapter for limited auto-focusing which works quite well once you understand its limitations. When using with my D800 the adapter once attached turns the 200 f2 into a roughly 300mm or so 2.8 semi-af lens. The af on the modified TC-16A works extremely well with this lens but of course you must first manually focus on what you are shooting and get it reasonably or close to in focus then hitting whichever button you have selected on the body for auto-focusing.

    4. If you choose to not invest in the af adapter and go manual focus only then I can say without a doubt anyone who focuses the first time with that huge, super smooth turning ring will fall instantly and uncontrollably in love, it's that good. Along with that solid metal construction Nikon hit a home run on how good, smooth and easy that lens feels when using it. No other manual focus lens I have feels that way but that beast begs to be used for that feature alone.

    5. Having stated how much I love the older version of the modern 200 f2 I find myself using the modern version more often nowadays simply due to the fact that now my wife and I are grandparents and that means taking more and more pictures of the grandchildren who don't stay in one spot for more than a blink of an eye. The auto-focusing on the af 200 f2 is as fast or faster than any other lens I have used which includes many of the newest "G" lenses. Considering how much glass is being moved while focusing I marvel each time I use it at the engineering that went into making that lens. Nothing short of amazing and it almost makes me forget I am shooting with an a now ancient D800 and instead with a more sports/fast action body, lol.

    6. In conclusion I shoot fast action with the af 200 while still pulling out the mf version for more static objects such as flowers or seated portraits.

    Here are a few taken with the older 200:

    DSC00196 by RickZPhoto, on Flickr

    DSC_0015_4x6 by RickZPhoto, on Flickr

    This shot of the flowers was taken at minimum focusing distance.

    DSC_9933_Original by RickZPhoto, on Flickr

    A crop of the above flowers.

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    DSC_9934 by RickZPhoto, on Flickr

    One of my wife and myself. To get that full body shot I had to walk about 20yds from the tripod after focusing on the wife first. Thank goodness the remote I had could trip the shutter over long distances.

    DSC_7670_8x10 by RickZPhoto, on Flickr
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    Here are a few taken with the older 200:

    DSC00196 by RickZPhoto, on Flickr

    DSC_6024 by RickZPhoto, on Flickr

    DSC_0015_4x6 by RickZPhoto, on Flickr

    This shot of the flowers was taken at minimum focusing distance.

    DSC_9933_Original by RickZPhoto, on Flickr

    A crop of the above flowers.

    DSC_9933_ by RickZPhoto, on Flickr

    DSC_9934 by RickZPhoto, on Flickr

    One of my wife and myself. To get that full body shot I had to walk about 20yds from the tripod after focusing on the wife first. Thank goodness the remote I had could trip the shutter over long distances.

    DSC_7670_8x10 by RickZPhoto, on Flickr
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    Re: Nikon 200 2.0 - Images and Discussion

    More sample portrait images for your viewing pleasure:

    https://500px.com/photo/178451511/ex...e-ellen-tolman

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    Photographers who have mastered their artistic expressions should be recognized and given credit for their talent and hard work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave.gt View Post
    More sample portrait images for your viewing pleasure:

    https://500px.com/photo/178451511/ex...e-ellen-tolman

    *Btw:
    Photographers who have mastered their artistic expressions should be recognized and given credit for their talent and hard work.
    With all due respect those images shown in the link are more a product of post production, digital manipulation than true representations of what any lens, let alone the 200 f2 is able to produce on its own. I've seen all the post production that goes into producing these types of images with even additional bokeh added to the image. The artificial lighting, dodging/burning, vignetting, selective color enhancing and more are done to such extremes it becomes less a photo than a digital painting. That's why "photos" such as those are not included in manufacturers samples of a particular lens. Not arguing anyone personal talent but those images could have been reproduced using a much less expensive lens with a little additional post production.


    I believe another well known photographer, a LJH a children's photographer who shoots with the Canon 200mm f2 said it best while critiquing her Russian counterpart, Elena Shumilova who uses Canon glass such as a 50mm & 85mm f1.2 when she was first starting to make a name for herself with her own magical images of children. LJH I believe was explaining the popularity of Elena's photos were more a factor of digital wizardry than what those lenses could actually produce on their own. The same goes with LJH's photos, if you ever see the before/after versions you realize how much digital manipulation actually goes into producing the final image.
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    Re: Nikon 200 2.0 - Images and Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Thor View Post
    With all due respect those images shown in the link are more a product of post production, digital manipulation than true representations of what any lens, let alone the 200 f2 is able to produce on its own. I've seen all the post production that goes into producing these types of images with even additional bokeh added to the image. The artificial lighting, dodging/burning, vignetting, selective color enhancing and more are done to such extremes it becomes less a photo than a digital painting. That's why "photos" such as those are not included in manufacturers samples of a particular lens. Not arguing anyone personal talent but those images could have been reproduced using a much less expensive lens with a little additional post production.


    I believe another well known photographer, a LJH a children's photographer who shoots with the Canon 200mm f2 said it best while critiquing her Russian counterpart, Elena Shumilova who uses Canon glass such as a 50mm & 85mm f1.2 when she was first starting to make a name for herself with her own magical images of children. LJH I believe was explaining the popularity of Elena's photos were more a factor of digital wizardry than what those lenses could actually produce on their own. The same goes with LJH's photos, if you ever see the before/after versions you realize how much digital manipulation actually goes into producing the final image.
    Yes, no doubt!!!

    All the amazing images have that in common. Digital wizardry. DW. I must remember that term, DW.

    That said, your own subject isolation and real world results attract me because of that and the creamy bokeh is wonderful. If one can get that SOOC, it makes DW far easier.

    Personally, I am never going very far in DW, but I do go a little ways depending on what I am doing.

    For me, it is art. And Art with a capital A is what one expresses for oneself. I do not like nervous or harsh bokeh. No amount of manipulation fixes that for me. So, as your images and countless others show, SOOC results are amazing.

    To me that is a great starting point!

    Thanks again for all your sharing.
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    Question Re: Nikon 200 2.0 - Images and Discussion

    Now, personally, I apologize in advance if this post seems an angry one, it is not. I have been puzzled why there have been so many people (not you Rick) who have been giving me advice to buy something cheaper "just as good". I find that bad advice, even if well-intentioned. But that is just me,

    Why is it bad? Because no one can really make buying decisions for others. It is a personal decision and if I can make it happen by selling my old car so I can make images in a pro bono project at a rehab hospital in Atlanta, with a particular piece of equipment that works for my vision, and it makes those survivors feel better about themselves and their lives, then I am satisfied.

    I have found the gift of giving over the past two years, and it has been a profound experience with hundreds of hours and thousands in expenditures. It was worth every sacrifice.

    The used D850 I recently purchased has been a huge sacrifice for me but fantastic because I can use it in so many ways. Was it worth skipping meals and car maintenance the past three months? Absolutely. Every worker needs tools and I have only one lens for the D850. What will be the next one to purchase? I do not know but it will be many months from now, as we have other priorities that must be addressed.

    That said, I have made no commitment to buying a 200 2.0, this thread was started to see images and learn from others. There have been fewer images posted than I would have preferred. Hopefully more with minimal digital wizardry AND those with amazing results after all the DW, will be posted. I love the high quality images as linked to above. I am certainly not naive about how they were created.

    My greatest respect is for those who have worked hard to create their own art.
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    Re: Nikon 200 2.0 - Images and Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by dave.gt View Post
    Now, personally, I apologize in advance if this post seems an angry one, it is not. I have been puzzled why there have been so many people (not you Rick) who have been giving me advice to buy something cheaper "just as good". I find that bad advice, even if well-intentioned. But that is just me,

    Why is it bad? Because no one can really make buying decisions for others. It is a personal decision and if I can make it happen by selling my old car so I can make images in a pro bono project at a rehab hospital in Atlanta, with a particular piece of equipment that works for my vision, and it makes those survivors feel better about themselves and their lives, then I am satisfied.

    I have found the gift of giving over the past two years, and it has been a profound experience with hundreds of hours and thousands in expenditures. It was worth every sacrifice.

    The used D850 I recently purchased has been a huge sacrifice for me becausje I can use it in so many ways. Was it worth skipping meals and car maintenance the past three months? Absolutely. Every worker needs tools and I have only one lens for the D850. What will be the next one to purchase? I do not know but it will be many months from now, as we have other priorities that must be addressed.

    That said, I have made no commitment to buying a 200 2.0, this thread was started to see images and learn from others. There have been fewer images posted than I would have preferred. Hopefully more with minimal digital wizardry AND those with amazing results after all the DW, will be posted. I love the high quality images as linked to above. I am certainly not naive about how they were created.

    My greatest respect is for those who have worked hard to create their own art.
    I said something about alternative lenses in response to pictures taken at f/3.2. In no way did I mean that you should avoid the 200/2, and I apologize if I came across that way.

    Matt

    PS. NO digital picture appears on screen or in print without a breathtaking amount of digital wizardry. This includes hundreds of decisions made by software engineers and chip designers. Every picture shows an example of what is possible.

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    Re: Nikon 200 2.0 - Images and Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post
    I said something about alternative lenses in response to pictures taken at f/3.2. In no way did I mean that you should avoid the 200/2, and I apologize if I came across that way.

    Matt

    PS. NO digital picture appears on screen or in print without a breathtaking amount of digital wizardry. This includes hundreds of decisions made by software engineers and chip designers. Every picture shows an example of what is possible.
    Hi, Matt!

    No issues from me!

    I totally agree.
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    Re: Nikon 200 2.0 - Images and Discussion

    Ok,

    So who has more images to share with the 200/2.0?

    I realize this is a very slooooow forum! The only thing we can do is post images, discussions and keep moving. How about it, guys?

    There are many people that I personally know who would be interested in your results!
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    Re: Nikon 200 2.0 - Images and Discussion

    More from Easter weekend

    DSC_3243 by RickZPhoto, on Flickr

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    DSC_3150 by RickZPhoto, on Flickr

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    A local performer who is a regular at our annual Kingdom of Riverssance every year. By far my favorite entertainer she never fails to impress with the varied routines she comes up with every year. I believe all pics were taken at f2.

    DSC_1968_ by RickZPhoto, on Flickr

    DSC_1967_ by RickZPhoto, on Flickr

    DSC_1966_ by RickZPhoto, on Flickr

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    Re: Nikon 200 2.0 - Images and Discussion

    The 200F2 is a wonderful lens. I have the VRII version and have had it for a few years now. Cost aside, it is a very cumbersome lens to use, but I do lug it around sometimes because the results are worth it for me. I also have the 70/200 2.8 and I find the rendering quite different.

    When the 105/1.4 came out, I got one, and I find it has a very similar look to the 200/2. Of course, focal length is different, but framed similarly, the DoF and look are similar. The 200 is still sharper with a snappier AF. I find myself using the 105/1.4 a lot more now simply due to the convenience....but would be very hard to part with the 200.
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    Re: Nikon 200 2.0 - Images and Discussion

    Still loving your images and I still think the 200 2.0 is as good as it gets for what it does.
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