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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    I bet Ken or Don have one before Guy

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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    But is the base iso of the IQ260 35iso? coupled with a 1hr max exposure?
    Base ISO of the IQ260:
    - full resolution, normal mode: ISO 50
    - sensor+ resolution: ISO 200
    - full resolution, long-exposure mode: ISO140

    So the 1 hour spec is for ISO140. Pretty impressive compared to a 1 hour spec for the P45+ which is at ISO50.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    I think 'wearing' is a relative term.

    Btw, iso140 base plus 1hrs on the iq260 sounds like a winner for travel to me. Is there a low ISO option too to avoid NDs for us longer exposure folks?
    In normal mode you can get ISO50 for 1-2 minutes (final data on that still coming in). But if you want to do beyond 2 minutes you need to turn on long exposure mode which means raising the base ISO to 140.
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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    What is the built-in accelerometer for?

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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    "What is the built-in accelerometer for?"

    It activates the airbag when it detects sudden deceleration.
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    Just put in my order for the 280. I know that 260 will be hot in demand but the trade in deal makes Iq280 a better deal if you already own a P65+, a lot better

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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    Quote Originally Posted by engel001 View Post
    What is the built-in accelerometer for?
    1) Graphical or numerical level in-camera at time of capture
    2) Auto correction of both horizon and perspective/key-stoning in Capture One after the capture
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    Thanks for both the humorous and the serious response regarding the accelerometer. A small automatically deployed airbag may not be a bad idea to protect the back from tripod accidents - see recent video posted here a week ago.

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    Image Quality : 16 bit-Opticolor, 12.5 f-stops, Lens+ technology

    Lens+ technology ?

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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    Quote Originally Posted by archivue View Post
    Image Quality : 16 bit-Opticolor, 12.5 f-stops, Lens+ technology

    Lens+ technology ?
    Marketing speak for "we have high quality lens profiles built in to Capture One and Lightroom for automatic correction of distortion, chromatic abberation, blooming, etc".
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    thanks !

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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    WOW. That was quick. It seemed like yesterday when we were saying you were dead and had no more advances to the backs.

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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    In normal mode you can get ISO50 for 1-2 minutes (final data on that still coming in). But if you want to do beyond 2 minutes you need to turn on long exposure mode which means raising the base ISO to 140.
    That right there is worth the price of admission. You actually get 2 different performing backs into one. As they say at McDonalds make that a combo, hold the mayo. Hate that crap
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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    Can we start taking official guesses for how long before Guy buys one of these? I give it 4 months max....
    Start making donations to my very large tin cup. I need a load of help. Lol
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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    to satisfy a tech curiosity, what is the strategy behind boosting the base iso from 50 to 140 as part of exposing longer than 2 min? you get a 1-1/2 stop more from the iso change and can use the extra time, another 6 or seven stops, gaining about 8-9 stops EV just from using long exposure mode

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    to satisfy a tech curiosity, what is the strategy behind boosting the base iso from 50 to 140 as part of exposing longer than 2 min? you get a 1-1/2 stop more from the iso change and can use the extra time, another 6 or seven stops, gaining about 8-9 stops EV just from using long exposure mode
    I'm writing an article about the technical underpinnings of the long exposure capability they've achieved with the IQ260.

    Should be ready to publish Wednesday.
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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    Doug, any chance the tech in the 260 sensor can/may/will be extended to the 280 or Achro backs? If you need to kill me if you tell me, I can wait (kids are still young)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
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    Edit: I've received confirmation that the Achromatic will be limited to 2 minutes. The downloadable datasheet was in error and has now been corrected. For those looking for long exposure in an IQ chassis the Phase One IQ260 is the only game in town...
    That's a real shame.

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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    Frankly the 260 is the back. I would look no further myself
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Frankly the 260 is the back. I would look no further myself
    Agreed. Pretty psyched about this piece of gear. My P65+ gets to retire at 45k captures.

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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    So, lets see. A color 60MP back costs $30,000. So the monochrome back only costs $10,000 because it is missing two of the colors! Where do I sign up?
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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    Wow - Two questions.
    One-- the Wifi am I correct in thinking that you could be on the beach with just your tech camera, and an iPad and get live view and review directly on the ipad. That would make focusing so great, instead of just always figuring shooting at infinity. I like wide angle close up shots. You would now have a great view finder


    Two any word on ISO improvement or live view along with increase in DR?

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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    Couldn't the iPhone be mounted on your tech camera as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebe View Post
    I bet Ken or Don have one before Guy
    Blasphemy, I know---but I think we're both content to sit this round out.

    Guy is much more deserving.

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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    Ken,

    The word is "worthy."

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdphotography View Post
    Blasphemy, I know---but I think we're both content to sit this round out.

    Guy is much more deserving.
    Your a peach.

    I just need to hit the lottery. LOL
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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    Quote Originally Posted by stephengilbert View Post
    Couldn't the iPhone be mounted on your tech camera as well?

    If my assumption is correct and validated by the experts - I would think you could, but I bet ya - they come out with a mini ipad holder you can put in the hot shoe - similar to to iphone holder - maybe don't even need the wide angle lens for the holder like the iphone.

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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    Quote Originally Posted by Pemihan View Post
    But I thought medium format was dead and D800 the new king

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Frankly the 260 is the back. I would look no further myself
    Guy, I must disagree respectfully on this one.....I think the 260 Achro is the back that is a really a head-turner here. Don't get me wrong, the IQ260 is sure to be a great upgrade from the P65+ and even the IQ160. Far more so than the IQ280 from an IQ180.

    We know lots of guys have been hanging on to their P45+ backs waiting for a no-crop long-exposure back for a while, and I think subtle tonal differences between the IQ180 and 160 will be equalized or bettered by the 260...

    ...but, a bayer-less full-frame MFDB!!!! Yes, I wish they based it on the new 60MP sensor with the long exposure times (the IQ260 Achromat sounds like it is the same sensor as the P65+/IQ160), but surely there is nothing like it except the P45+ based Achromat+ which cost quite a penny as well.

    I think my order is going in tomorrow although the wait may be long.

    After I got out of Leica upon deciding that I'd rather give gobs of money to a company like Phase that at least are appreciative of receiving it vs. L that believe it is their god given right to take it from you, I was afraid every time I saw images out of the MM that I may have to swallow my pride and buy one and a couple of lenses, but hallelujah!! Here comes P1 to the rescue.

    I cannot wait to try the new Rodies and Shneiders on this back. I suspect the resolution will be close to my 180 without the filter. BTW, I have never shot the Leica S, but even the best M glass that costs as much as the best tech lenses, and you wait months for, don't come close to what the newer Rodie and SK lenses offer, not by a long shot. I also much prefer the neutral, accurate and sharp images I get from them vs the super saturated, contrasty images that most called the "Leica look" -- sure to get challenged on this one, but heck, I had to get into a second bottle of Malbec to decide on the new purchase

    I did not realize this announcement would come so soon, so I have a coastal optics 60mm along with a full-spectrum D800 coming in later this week. While this will be good for IR (B&W and false colour), I think the Achro back will be in a different league.

    Not sure upgrading the IQ180 to the IQ280 would be a worthwhile for my work, the marginal DR would be nice, but WIFI and carrying around and iPad is not worth the coin.

    Also, looking at how aggressively they have priced upgraded from the pre IQ series, someone has done some market analysis. It is unlikely that a current IQ user is going to switch, while someone sitting on a 4-6 year back, certainly needs some incentive. A used P65+ may have sold for 15K on a private sale, add 17.5 and for just over 32K you're back in with the best back in the business! This is certainly great play for Phase, and hats off to Phase for doing it!

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    I am exactly in this boat. It was almost a no brainer for me to upgrade the P65+ to the IQ280. Like you said the all in would be only 32k. If I didn't like the back I could sell it at above 32k for sure. The hard decision was whether to go for 260 or 280. My gut feeling tells me that the 260 will be much more in demand than the 280 but for 3.5k difference (and without the need for long expo), I opted for the elepant gun.

    Quote Originally Posted by jagsiva View Post
    Guy, I must disagree respectfully on this one.....I think the 260 Achro is the back that is a really a head-turner here. Don't get me wrong, the IQ260 is sure to be a great upgrade from the P65+ and even the IQ160. Far more so than the IQ280 from an IQ180.

    We know lots of guys have been hanging on to their P45+ backs waiting for a no-crop long-exposure back for a while, and I think subtle tonal differences between the IQ180 and 160 will be equalized or bettered by the 260...

    ...but, a bayer-less full-frame MFDB!!!! Yes, I wish they based it on the new 60MP sensor with the long exposure times (the IQ260 Achromat sounds like it is the same sensor as the P65+/IQ160), but surely there is nothing like it except the P45+ based Achromat+ which cost quite a penny as well.

    I think my order is going in tomorrow although the wait may be long.

    After I got out of Leica upon deciding that I'd rather give gobs of money to a company like Phase that at least are appreciative of receiving it vs. L that believe it is their god given right to take it from you, I was afraid every time I saw images out of the MM that I may have to swallow my pride and buy one and a couple of lenses, but hallelujah!! Here comes P1 to the rescue.

    I cannot wait to try the new Rodies and Shneiders on this back. I suspect the resolution will be close to my 180 without the filter. BTW, I have never shot the Leica S, but even the best M glass that costs as much as the best tech lenses, and you wait months for, don't come close to what the newer Rodie and SK lenses offer, not by a long shot. I also much prefer the neutral, accurate and sharp images I get from them vs the super saturated, contrasty images that most called the "Leica look" -- sure to get challenged on this one, but heck, I had to get into a second bottle of Malbec to decide on the new purchase

    I did not realize this announcement would come so soon, so I have a coastal optics 60mm along with a full-spectrum D800 coming in later this week. While this will be good for IR (B&W and false colour), I think the Achro back will be in a different league.

    Not sure upgrading the IQ180 to the IQ280 would be a worthwhile for my work, the marginal DR would be nice, but WIFI and carrying around and iPad is not worth the coin.

    Also, looking at how aggressively they have priced upgraded from the pre IQ series, someone has done some market analysis. It is unlikely that a current IQ user is going to switch, while someone sitting on a 4-6 year back, certainly needs some incentive. A used P65+ may have sold for 15K on a private sale, add 17.5 and for just over 32K you're back in with the best back in the business! This is certainly great play for Phase, and hats off to Phase for doing it!

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    I am surprised that nobody feels cautious regarding implementation of wifi.
    USB tethering is still not working after 2 years.
    Even life view took a while to implement.
    I wait and see if its actually working before an upgrade is in order .

    I would also like to understand how they actually transfer such a large file to an iPad or will it be more like the Canon transmitters that keep the RAW on the card and transmit just a jpegs that's residing next to the jpeg.
    That seems more doable in terms of transfer speeds.
    Does anybody know how this is going to work.

    One other issue for the 260 with long exposures will certainly be battery life especially if you have to shoot the black frame.
    Will batteries last that long?

    But certainly a welcome upgrade .

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    It would be pretty cool if the wifi could stream the image to an iPad in "chunks" the way pano viewers work. When you want to zoom in to the image, the back just updates the image on your device by sending a smaller crop out of the captured image, thus getting around the iDevice 14mp image size limit and letting you zoom to 100% or maybe even more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post


    Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    1. Holy Dynamic Range Batman - Increased to 13 stops
    2. Long Exposure has Returned with the Phase One IQ260
    3. Achromatic Has Come to the IQ2 Series
    4. Wireless Viewing, No Computer Needed
    5. Remote Operation of the Camera
    6. Remote Review and Color Tagging
    7. Wireless Works With Any iOS Device
    8. GPS Auto Geotagging
    9. Wireless Works to TV
    10. Sample Files Will be Available Soon
    11. You Can See One In Person Starting in a Week
    12. Why don't Scrooge McDuck buys PhaseOne and Hasselblad already?

    Best regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolor-Pikker View Post
    It would be pretty cool if the wifi could stream the image to an iPad in "chunks" the way pano viewers work. When you want to zoom in to the image, the back just updates the image on your device by sending a smaller crop out of the captured image, thus getting around the iDevice 14mp image size limit and letting you zoom to 100% or maybe even more.
    Highly unlikely that would be possible (at least, not in the way that pano viewers work).

    The pano viewers already have an image pyramid to work with. Actually generating that pyramid in the first place is what takes the time.

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    If I knew that I could get live view quickly onto a mini iPad with 100% zoom I would be real interested in upgrading. But I sure would want to see it in action first!

    Victor

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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    I think it is exactly something along those lines...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolor-Pikker View Post
    It would be pretty cool if the wifi could stream the image to an iPad in "chunks" the way pano viewers work. When you want to zoom in to the image, the back just updates the image on your device by sending a smaller crop out of the captured image, thus getting around the iDevice 14mp image size limit and letting you zoom to 100% or maybe even more.

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    I stand corrected.

    If they're doing that live and on the fly (i.e. without a pre-generated image pyramid), that's extremely impressive.

    (Having watched that video a little more carefully, they don't appear to be actually showing zooming in and out of the image there, just scrolling, so no pyramid of images being demonstrated, but that's not to say they haven't done it of course.)

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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    It is a very exciting news.
    I have few questions which somewhat duplicate the previous posts.
    1. I am very interested in using this IQ2 back with the tech cam.
    However, the 60-80mp-RAW files are quite big. Will there be any problems of file transfer in which can disrupt the workflow?
    How long does it take to shoot one picture by a tech cam with the IQ280 or 260?
    3. How can I supply 2 hours of battery (including black frame) to the DB for 1-hour exposure?
    4. Is there a path of up (down) grading from IQ180 to IQ260?

    Thank you,
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    I was going to sell my Ipad for the new USB 3 Window 8 tablet

    I have IQ180 and will not be interested to upgrade, except when there is better improvement in PQ.

    New multimedia features will not cut it and my client prefers to sit in front of 27" monitor to see the image.

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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    I'm writing an article about the technical underpinnings of the long exposure capability they've achieved with the IQ260.

    Should be ready to publish Wednesday.
    Dare I ask about LENR? Would love to hear that it's optional and/or buffered like Canon can. I fear that I may be disappointed though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Dare I ask about LENR? Would love to hear that it's optional and/or buffered like Canon can. I fear that I may be disappointed though.
    LENR is required and automatic.
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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Santoso View Post
    I was going to sell my Ipad for the new USB 3 Window 8 tablet

    I have IQ180 and will not be interested to upgrade, except when there is better improvement in PQ.

    New multimedia features will not cut it and my client prefers to sit in front of 27" monitor to see the image.
    You can use the new wireless option to display on a 27" monitor (or 120" TV) by using the HDMI out adapter for the iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch.

    No cables into the digital back required.

    Of course if you're in studio and you don't mind the cable for tethering I'd still suggest tethering. I only mention it because I've tech'd for some photographers that absolutely HATED having a tethering cable coming out of the camera.
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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    Quote Originally Posted by Landscapelover View Post
    It is a very exciting news.
    I have few questions which somewhat duplicate the previous posts.
    1. I am very interested in using this IQ2 back with the tech cam.
    However, the 60-80mp-RAW files are quite big. Will there be any problems of file transfer in which can disrupt the workflow?
    How long does it take to shoot one picture by a tech cam with the IQ280 or 260?
    3. How can I supply 2 hours of battery (including black frame) to the DB for 1-hour exposure?
    4. Is there a path of up (down) grading from IQ180 to IQ260?
    1. No files are transfer. The IQ260 retains the file and stores them on the CF card. It then generates, on demand, whatever information the iPad needs (thumbnails, previews, 100% zoom). So no, no problems regarding waiting for big files to transfer. The shot is captured and recorded instantly (more precisely something like 1.5 seconds after shutter release) and is available on the iPad a 2-3 seconds after that.
    3. That's a good question! I'll ask regarding how long they've seen the batteries last when doing very long exposures.
    4. We can help you with that. Just shoot me an email.
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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    Quote Originally Posted by rupho View Post
    I am surprised that nobody feels cautious regarding implementation of wifi.
    USB tethering is still not working after 2 years.
    Even life view took a while to implement.
    I wait and see if its actually working before an upgrade is in order .

    I would also like to understand how they actually transfer such a large file to an iPad or will it be more like the Canon transmitters that keep the RAW on the card and transmit just a jpegs that's residing next to the jpeg.
    That seems more doable in terms of transfer speeds.
    Does anybody know how this is going to work.

    One other issue for the 260 with long exposures will certainly be battery life especially if you have to shoot the black frame.
    Will batteries last that long?

    But certainly a welcome upgrade .
    Actually the batteries did okay with the P45 doing long exposures. Yes it took some juice but you plan for it as well. On my P30 when I did a couple 35 minute shots I actually got about 5 shots off of those type of long exposures. The IQ series I found better battery life. My bet is this may even be better than that, have to wait and see.
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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    Quote Originally Posted by gerald.d View Post
    I stand corrected.

    If they're doing that live and on the fly (i.e. without a pre-generated image pyramid), that's extremely impressive.

    (Having watched that video a little more carefully, they don't appear to be actually showing zooming in and out of the image there, just scrolling, so no pyramid of images being demonstrated, but that's not to say they haven't done it of course.)
    The previews which the back uses on it's own LCD when you review,zoom,pan images is the same preview used in the Capture Pilot wifi review system.

    You can zoom in and out in near real time. It only takes 2-3 seconds to redraw the screen when making big changes to zoom/panning.
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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    Quote Originally Posted by jagsiva View Post
    Guy, I must disagree respectfully on this one.....I think the 260 Achro is the back that is a really a head-turner here. Don't get me wrong, the IQ260 is sure to be a great upgrade from the P65+ and even the IQ160. Far more so than the IQ280 from an IQ180.

    We know lots of guys have been hanging on to their P45+ backs waiting for a no-crop long-exposure back for a while, and I think subtle tonal differences between the IQ180 and 160 will be equalized or bettered by the 260...

    ...but, a bayer-less full-frame MFDB!!!! Yes, I wish they based it on the new 60MP sensor with the long exposure times (the IQ260 Achromat sounds like it is the same sensor as the P65+/IQ160), but surely there is nothing like it except the P45+ based Achromat+ which cost quite a penny as well.

    I think my order is going in tomorrow although the wait may be long.

    After I got out of Leica upon deciding that I'd rather give gobs of money to a company like Phase that at least are appreciative of receiving it vs. L that believe it is their god given right to take it from you, I was afraid every time I saw images out of the MM that I may have to swallow my pride and buy one and a couple of lenses, but hallelujah!! Here comes P1 to the rescue.

    I cannot wait to try the new Rodies and Shneiders on this back. I suspect the resolution will be close to my 180 without the filter. BTW, I have never shot the Leica S, but even the best M glass that costs as much as the best tech lenses, and you wait months for, don't come close to what the newer Rodie and SK lenses offer, not by a long shot. I also much prefer the neutral, accurate and sharp images I get from them vs the super saturated, contrasty images that most called the "Leica look" -- sure to get challenged on this one, but heck, I had to get into a second bottle of Malbec to decide on the new purchase

    I did not realize this announcement would come so soon, so I have a coastal optics 60mm along with a full-spectrum D800 coming in later this week. While this will be good for IR (B&W and false colour), I think the Achro back will be in a different league.

    Not sure upgrading the IQ180 to the IQ280 would be a worthwhile for my work, the marginal DR would be nice, but WIFI and carrying around and iPad is not worth the coin.

    Also, looking at how aggressively they have priced upgraded from the pre IQ series, someone has done some market analysis. It is unlikely that a current IQ user is going to switch, while someone sitting on a 4-6 year back, certainly needs some incentive. A used P65+ may have sold for 15K on a private sale, add 17.5 and for just over 32K you're back in with the best back in the business! This is certainly great play for Phase, and hats off to Phase for doing it!
    I guess my biggest thought was when owning the 160 there where times I wish I had the P45 so I can do some long exposure shooting . The 1 minute limit felt like handcuffs. The 260 solves that issue for a lot of landscape shooters and even branches over to architectural shooters as well. We shot the P45 Achromatic on a workshop once and it was quite interesting for sure and yes I do agree it will smoke anything out there that is dedicated to that. So given your needs a great choice. Can't wait to you get it and we see what you get from it.
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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    LENR is required and automatic.
    Sigh

    Hmm, maybe I should just pay for a night / extreme exposure / light painting photography workshop for one of the phase engineers/product managers so that can understand why this is such a big deal to some of us.

    Tonight I was shooting the Racetrack in Death Valley using light painting on the rocks & tracks and another set up shooting star trails. I'd love to be using my MF gear but I can only do this effectively with my loathesome Nikons. (Actually they're not really loathesome, it's just that I'd rather be shooting 4x5 ratio with my DF or Alpa vs using a different system just for this). Make LENR an option - heck make it a three finger convoluted key sequence to enable/disable you want, but I'd trade off post process NR with a dedicated dark frame (like LCC really) vs having to wait between shots.
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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    Quote Originally Posted by rupho View Post
    I am surprised that nobody feels cautious regarding implementation of wifi.
    USB tethering is still not working after 2 years.
    Even life view took a while to implement.
    I wait and see if its actually working before an upgrade is in order .

    I would also like to understand how they actually transfer such a large file to an iPad or will it be more like the Canon transmitters that keep the RAW on the card and transmit just a jpegs that's residing next to the jpeg.
    That seems more doable in terms of transfer speeds.
    Does anybody know how this is going to work.
    That's a perfectly reasonable stance (wait to see it before you put money down).

    A few additional considerations though:
    - They had working WiFi units in Dubai and we (Digital Transitions) will have a working prototype unit in our office next Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday (reserve a time slot to see it).
    - USB is very very nearly ready on the IQ1. In fact if you have need/desire for it now you can join the final stages of testing by speaking with your dealer.
    - USB3 was very new on the market when they started development; the specification was still in flux. Wifi's N 5Ghz spec has been out there for several years and is established, mature technology.
    - Phase One already has a lot of code/experience for Capture Pilot. You can already (and many people do already) use Capture Pilot with a computer in between the camera and iPad. It's not easy to remove the computer from the equation, but it's also not as hard as starting from scratch.

    As stated elsewhere above, the raw file isn't transfered. All the storage and heavy lifting is done in the IQ back where there is a custom-design four-core processor and several auxiliary processors handling such tasks.
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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    Quote Originally Posted by alajuela View Post
    Wow - Two questions.
    One-- the Wifi am I correct in thinking that you could be on the beach with just your tech camera, and an iPad and get live view and review directly on the ipad. That would make focusing so great, instead of just always figuring shooting at infinity.
    Quote Originally Posted by vjbelle View Post
    If I knew that I could get live view quickly onto a mini iPad with 100% zoom I would be real interested in upgrading. But I sure would want to see it in action first.
    The plan is that Live View will come to Capture Pilot, but this will not be ready for the launch.

    For clarity, at launch they will have live preview working, and wifi working, but not the ability to do live preview over wifi. That will come later (as a free update).

    And the quality of live preview will be the same as in the IQ1. So on a sunny beach mid-day you'll need ND filters to get a good live preview.
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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    Quote Originally Posted by alajuela View Post
    Two any word on ISO improvement or live view along with increase in DR?
    DR and noise are of course directly related. So you will see a little less noise in the shadows of any given ISO.

    However, we do not expect any huge improvements in higher ISO performance. Though, if you haven't seen an ISO1600 sensor+ file in Capture One v7 it really is a very good file (I use it a lot at weddings and when shooting actor/actress headshots).
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    Re: Phase One IQ260, IQ280, and Achromatic - 11 Things to Know

    Quote Originally Posted by alajuela View Post
    If my assumption is correct and validated by the experts - I would think you could, but I bet ya - they come out with a mini ipad holder you can put in the hot shoe - similar to to iphone holder - maybe don't even need the wide angle lens for the holder like the iphone.

    Phil
    You don't need the wide angle iPhone lens. The iPhone simply serves as a viewing window for the transmission coming from the back , so whatever is on the real camera being shot is simply sent to the iPhone for viewing so YES iPhone in the hot shoe would be great. Also folks may want to think about IPad mini( typing on one right now) bolting a bracket to there tripod . Maybe something that folds when they close there tripod legs. Initial thoughts are I always have my phone with me anyway , so its kind of a natural without anything else needed but a holder in the hot shoe would certainly be handy
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